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mbrooke said:
I could be making $100,000 a year without a license- truck, tools, business card and I'm all set.
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One sting operation and you're in jail. Which should be the bottom line of this thread. If you see non-licensed contractors doing work, report them. That part of the problem will be reduced. As far as home owners are concerned, they should have the right to endanger and possibly kill their family to save a couple of bucks, but when the home is sold, a mandatory four-point inspection by a competent inspector will help catch a lot of these issues.
 
Coppersmith said:
One sting operation and you're in jail. Which should be the bottom line of this thread. If you see non-licensed contractors doing work, report them. That part of the problem will be reduced. As far as home owners are concerned, they should have the right to endanger and possibly kill their family to save a couple of bucks, but when the home is sold, a mandatory four-point inspection by a competent inspector will help catch a lot of these issues.
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What four points will he inspect, or are they random and you never will know til he is done?:)
 
Coppersmith said:
One sting operation and you're in jail. Which should be the bottom line of this thread.
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Not here, unlicensed activity is a $1000 fine for working without a permit and license. The majority of unlicensed activity evades any kind of fines or scrutiny anyway.


If you see non-licensed contractors doing work, report them. That part of the problem will be reduced. As far as home owners are concerned, they should have the right to endanger and possibly kill their family to save a couple of bucks, but when the home is sold, a mandatory four-point inspection by a competent inspector will help catch a lot of these issues.
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Sorry but I'm not running to the government if I see unlicensed activity taking place. Prohibition didn't work in the 1920's and it certainly isn't going to work in other things the government determines to be "illegal".

As for homeowners, they should be doing their due diligence and asking the contractor for references and checking them, and calling around to ask about them. Only a fool would hire a contractor without fully vetting them.
 
mbrooke said:
I could be making $100,000 a year without a license- truck, tools, business card and I'm all set.
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:roll::roll:

I could too...wait except I have a license and insurance, and I'd like to make at least $200,000 a year just for myself, so I think your number is a bit low. ;)
 
peter d said:
Not here, unlicensed activity is a $1000 fine for working without a permit and license. The majority of unlicensed activity evades any kind of fines or scrutiny anyway.




Sorry but I'm not running to the government if I see unlicensed activity taking place. Prohibition didn't work in the 1920's and it certainly isn't going to work in other things the government determines to be "illegal".

As for homeowners, they should be doing their due diligence and asking the contractor for references and checking them, and calling around to ask about them. Only a fool would hire a contractor without fully vetting them.
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I don't know what fines are here, but yes it kind of turns into a slap on the hands and "don't do it again", which they will. But if a license holder fails to follow rules they slap their hand and threaten to take away the license.
 
kwired said:
I don't know what fines are here, but yes it kind of turns into a slap on the hands and "don't do it again", which they will. But if a license holder fails to follow rules they slap their hand and threaten to take away the license.
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Exactly right, the licensed contractor working without a permit has more to lose than the unlicensed contractor here. It's completely backwards if the idea is to stop unlicensed activity from taking place. That's why I would never go to the authorities.
 
Just wanting to add some perspective:

Most of the DIY work I see ranges from slightly bad to horribly bad

Because when the work is done properly, there is less need to call an electrician
 
readydave8 said:
Because when the work is done properly, there is less need to call an electrician
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No. "Properly" has nothing to do with it. To a DIYer, as long as it works it's considered a success. THAT'S the motivation. Would you consider that panel in the opening video done properly? It works fine right? Why would they need an EC?

You see, a DIYer would need to care in order to learn and understand what the problems are.

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
:rant: Would you consider that panel in the opening video done properly? It works fine right? Why would they need an EC?
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Is it grounded properly now? The electrician that made the video took it to the cold water connection. In many areas the cold water pipe is no longer considered a grounding electrode since it's probably PVC.

I'm not saying he's wrong but around here he would have to drive ground rods or prove the water pipe to the street is still metal.
 
Coppersmith said:
One sting operation and you're in jail. Which should be the bottom line of this thread. If you see non-licensed contractors doing work, report them. That part of the problem will be reduced. As far as home owners are concerned, they should have the right to endanger and possibly kill their family to save a couple of bucks, but when the home is sold, a mandatory four-point inspection by a competent inspector will help catch a lot of these issues.
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I see you're in Tampa, FL. I've been watching a lot of news stories about unlicensed contractor stings from your local TV channels on YouTube. Florida is one of 4 states (to my knowledge) where they really crack down on this sort of thing. I wish Michigan would do the same thing here.
 
jeff48356 said:
I see you're in Tampa, FL. I've been watching a lot of news stories about unlicensed contractor stings from your local TV channels on YouTube. Florida is one of 4 states (to my knowledge) where they really crack down on this sort of thing. I wish Michigan would do the same thing here.
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NC does a good job as well. Here is a case from a few years back of an unlicensed repeat offender getting jail time.

CASE FILE NUMBER:
2008-67
NON-LICENSEE: xxxxxxxxxxx
d/b/a xxxxx-xxxxxx Heating and Cooling
ADDRESS: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxx, NC 28xxx
VIOLATION: ​

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Engaging in the business of
electrical contracting without license in violation of
Court Order.
COURT ACTION: ​

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Court action instituted in
xxx xxxxxxxx County Court resulting in entry of Order of Contempt
on February 9, 2009, finding Mr. xxxxxxxx
guilty of criminal contempt of the prior order of the
Court (Permanent Injunction Order entered by the
Court on November 28, 2001). The Court sentenced
Defendant to be incarcerated thirty (30) consecutive
days in the xxx xxxxxxxx County Jail which
sentence is not to be served concurrently with any
other Jail sentence(s) and is to begin following the
completion of Defendant�s current incarceration
with the Department of Corrections.
The Court issued an Order of Arrest directing the
Sheriff to arrest Mr. xxxxxxxx at the conclusion of a
separate sentence being served in the Department of
Corrections.
The Court further ordered that the Permanent
Injunction Order previously entered by the Court on
November 28, 2001 remain in effect at all times as
defendant does not possess a license from the
Board. The matter was retained for the entry of
further orders as necessary.
EFFECTIVE DATE: ​

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February 9, 2009​
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Roger​
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Coppersmith said:
I assume you're kidding and you know what a four-point inspection is.
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I really don't, but I'll make a guess or three without looking it up on the inter-webs:

1. Four corners of the structure, implying a complete, wall-to-wall inspection.

2. Four specific systems to inspect, like electrical, plumbing, HVAC, and roof.

3. A referral to a military inspection, covering weapon, uniform, quarters, man.

Okay, three. I dunno.
 
Coppersmith said:
I assume you're kidding and you know what a four-point inspection is.
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LarryFine said:
I really don't, but I'll make a guess or three without looking it up on the inter-webs:

1. Four corners of the structure, implying a complete, wall-to-wall inspection.

2. Four specific systems to inspect, like electrical, plumbing, HVAC, and roof.

3. A referral to a military inspection, covering weapon, uniform, quarters, man.

Okay, three. I dunno.
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I don't necessarly know either, but also was supposed to be for humor.

Four corners - what if a triangular structure, round or a hexagon, even L shaped?

Electric, plumbing, HVAC, roof - all important - but maybe useless if foundation they set on is no good.
 
LarryFine said:
I really don't, but I'll make a guess or three without looking it up on the inter-webs:

1. Four corners of the structure, implying a complete, wall-to-wall inspection.

2. Four specific systems to inspect, like electrical, plumbing, HVAC, and roof.

3. A referral to a military inspection, covering weapon, uniform, quarters, man.

Okay, three. I dunno.
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OK, I thought a four-point inspection was a common term that everybody would know, but apparently I am wrong. It's your #2, an inspection of the electrical, plumbing, HVAC, and roof. It's required by insurance companies to get a new policy.

I found this explainer: https://www.kin.com/blog/what-is-a-4-point-insurance-inspection
 
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