Expensive screw

[James L]

I don't see any se cable. The overhead looks like bx when I enlarge it and the cable in the shower looks like 10/3 nm. Are my eyes that bad?

It's a flat concentric se cable
(2) #4 or #6 hots with very fine neutral strands around amounting to probably #10

Can't tell for sure the size of the hots because the insulation is so thick, but right where it blew apart, the one hot moves rather easily so I'm thinking #6

 

[James L]

Is that a fixed window?
Also that doesn’t look like POCO wires coming in.

I didn't look closely, but it could be fixed window
That might save a patch in the siding after all.

The drop is concentric.
I blew the pic up here

 

[electrofelon]

Whether its service drop or lateral, never seen UN-FUSED service entrance cable without rigid or concrete encasement.

Was that ever legal ?

Absolutely, and it still is. In the Northeast almost every house has se cable on the outside and about 5 ft inside.

 

[LarryFine]

I've heard bath & kitchen remodels were the most expensive upgrades to a home. This example nailed it.

Actually, it screwed it in this case.

 

[growler]

Price tag for one screw is about $5,600

I was at a job years ago where a lady flooded her whole house trying to repair a toilet and broke a pipe and didn't have the slightest idea where to shut the water off.

I don't know what the damage estimate was but I'm sure it was more than $5,600.00.

At least here all that work needed to be done even before the accident. Just hope the remodeler had good liability insurance.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

I guess he screwed up.

 

[tom baker]

I've heard bath & kitchen remodels were the most expensive upgrades to a home. This example nailed it.

Have fun!

 

[Seven-Delta-FortyOne]

There went all the profit on that remodel.

 

[171FIREFIGHTER]

Well his screw just bought them a brand new service, no more 60amp days for them lol

 

[winnie]

It seems unfair that the remodeler should carry the cost of the upgrade beyond the repair. Had the remodeler damaged an old two wire receptacle, then they would need to get the receptacle replaced, not upgrade the circuit to a grounded one.

At the same time it is unfair to burden the homeowner with paying for an upgrade when their existing system (while in violation) was probably working just fine.

What do you guys think is fair?

Jon

 

[171FIREFIGHTER]

It seems unfair that the remodeler should carry the cost of the upgrade beyond the repair. Had the remodeler damaged an old two wire receptacle, then they would need to get the receptacle replaced, not upgrade the circuit to a grounded one.

At the same time it is unfair to burden the homeowner with paying for an upgrade when their existing system (while in violation) was probably working just fine.

What do you guys think is fair?

Jon

He should be responsible for the repair, unfortunately for him the repair in this case requires a whole new service.

It's unfortunate but He will hopefully learn a lesson from this experience.

 

[171FIREFIGHTER]

It seems unfair that the remodeler should carry the cost of the upgrade beyond the repair. Had the remodeler damaged an old two wire receptacle, then they would need to get the receptacle replaced, not upgrade the circuit to a grounded one.

At the same time it is unfair to burden the homeowner with paying for an upgrade when their existing system (while in violation) was probably working just fine.

What do you guys think is fair?

Jon

Also How was their existing system in violation? As long as it was to code when it was installed it is perfectly legal. It becomes in violation once this contractor put a screw thru it causing it to be replaced

 

[Seven-Delta-FortyOne]

It seems unfair that the remodeler should carry the cost of the upgrade beyond the repair. Had the remodeler damaged an old two wire receptacle, then they would need to get the receptacle replaced, not upgrade the circuit to a grounded one.

At the same time it is unfair to burden the homeowner with paying for an upgrade when their existing system (while in violation) was probably working just fine.

What do you guys think is fair?

Jon

I would say, Life isn’t fair.

Contractors deal with a tremendous amount of risk. You screw up someone’s dinner in a restaurant, you toss it and make a new new one.

Put a screw though a service entrance cable in an old home, and well, we see what it costs.

Contractors need to charge enough to make managing that risk, worth their while.

 

[Hv&Lv]

It seems unfair that the remodeler should carry the cost of the upgrade beyond the repair. Had the remodeler damaged an old two wire receptacle, then they would need to get the receptacle replaced, not upgrade the circuit to a grounded one.

At the same time it is unfair to burden the homeowner with paying for an upgrade when their existing system (while in violation) was probably working just fine.

What do you guys think is fair?

Jon

I didn’t read anywhere if the remodeler is a licensed contractor or just a handyman.
Were permits pulled? Just how far is this going to go? Is he working by the hour for the HO?
Its amazing how one little oops can escalate. I’ve had a small oops turn into a mountain before.. it sucks.

 

[hbiss]

Absolutely, and it still is. In the Northeast almost every house has se cable on the outside and about 5 ft inside.

Same here BUT that 5 ft can't be concealed within a wall or ceiling!

-Hal

 

[AC\DC]

why should the remodeler be responsible at all.
Should off had a nail plate, Its was who ever installed it the first time issue.
Since its not complaint any damage he may have cause he should not be responsible for
I get he could of put one but unless he altered that stud , not his problem

 

[AC\DC]

If I am crawling under a house and none of the plumbing is strapped properly, and I am climbing over, and under it and something comes loose, I am not paying a dime

 

[hbiss]

why should the remodeler be responsible at all.

I agree. And not only that, he did the owner a favor!

-Hal

 

[electrofelon]

Same here BUT that 5 ft can't be concealed within a wall or ceiling!

-Hal

Code reference?

 

[electrofelon]

why should the remodeler be responsible at all.
Should off had a nail plate, Its was who ever installed it the first time issue.
Since its not complaint any damage he may have cause he should not be responsible for
I get he could of put one but unless he altered that stud , not his problem

I'm with you. That cable was improperly routed and didn't have a nail plate or the proper clearance.