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Suppose someone cut into a wall between studs and hit a plumbing stack. How cold anyone else be responsible?
Exactly. No one with more that a day's experience in construction and half a brain isn't going to be concerned about what might be behind a wall finish. And with all the nifty gadgets on the market today for "seeing" what's in the wall, there's no excuse.
 
Suppose someone cut into a wall between studs and hit a plumbing stack. How cold anyone else be responsible?
If you open the wall, see the stack, close the wall cut into the wall and hit something then it's on you.
It isn't the end of the world (no one was hurt) take responsibility for it. fix it and move on.
It is that simple.
 
Bottom line is one screw is going to require the entire service to be upgraded with disconnect outside and change MB panel in laundry to isolate neutrals, and add circuits back to old panel to become j-box

Price tag for one screw is about $5,600
Dont forget surge protection :)
 
Whether its service drop or lateral, never seen UN-FUSED service entrance cable without rigid or concrete encasement.

Was that ever legal ?
Yes. Most every 60 amp service installed in the Richmond area in the 40s /mid 50s had the weather head up on a wall, then the SE cable (typically #6 copper) went inside the wall, came back out for the small meter base, then back into the wall to wherever the 60 amp Murray (or Zinsco, etc) panel was located. In dad's house that was from the peak of the Cape Cod gable to he meter base at ~ 6 feet above ground level to the 60 amp panel in the basement. Back in the 60/70s I could point out thousands of these installations in Richmond, Henrico and Chesterfield counties.

As to double taping, that might not have been legal, but it was in my grandfather's house too. Same SE cable in wall to basement 60 amp Murray, but another set (3) off #6 off the main lugs through conduit to the garage. That conduit, EMT, finally went bad around 2006. 50 years. I had updated the service to 200 amps and a breaker panel in the late 70s so it just opened the 60 amp breaker, not the pole transformer fuse!
 
However, it's difficult to use the "It shouldn't have been there!" defense after admitting having seen it there.
And past that, there's a legal concept of "knew or should have known"- if a "reasonable" person would have checked, saying "I didn't know it was there" doesn't go far. And it also doesn't matter whether the thing was compliant or not; all that matters is that the thing was damaged.
 
Yes. Most every 60 amp service installed in ..the 40s /mid 50s had..(un-fused) SE cable ..inside the wall(s) ..Back in the 60/70s I could point out thousands of these installations.

..it just opened the 60 amp breaker, not the pole transformer fuse!

Thanks for that reference master Frank.

Is that transformer fuse for real?
 
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