GE af breaker

Status
Not open for further replies.
peter d said:
Eaton BR AFCI's do not contain GFPE protection anymore.
Click to expand...

Can you provide either documentation, or a link to documentation, from Eaton that says that? The BR AFCI has been rumored to be without a ground fault component for easily half a decade, but no one can show that Eaton says so. Have you actually found the document?
 
al hildenbrand said:
Your question, however, lands in a sweet spot of dissatisfaction among some of the members of this Forum. Some, here, have strong opinions about what any AFCI does, or doesn't do. From the beginning of commercially available AFCI breakers, the manufacturers of them have refused to release any knowledge or hardware that would make field testing of an AFCI protected branch circuit possible.

.
Click to expand...


The nema-afci task force phd level EE chair himself has offered his public (as well as cmp-2 '14 rop) opinion on the product>


http://www.combinationafci.com/resources/doc_ieee_combination_afci.pdf

~RJ~
 
al hildenbrand said:
Can you provide either documentation, or a link to documentation, from Eaton that says that? The BR AFCI has been rumored to be without a ground fault component for easily half a decade, but no one can show that Eaton says so. Have you actually found the document?
Click to expand...

UL1699
covers them all Al

~RJ~
 
romex jockey said:
al hildenbrand said:
Your question, however, lands in a sweet spot of dissatisfaction among some of the members of this Forum. Some, here, have strong opinions about what any AFCI does, or doesn't do. From the beginning of commercially available AFCI breakers, the manufacturers of them have refused to release any knowledge or hardwarethat would make field testing of an AFCI protected branch circuit possible.
Click to expand...
The nema-afci task force phd level EE chair himself has offered his public (as well as cmp-2 '14 rop) opinion on the product>
http://www.combinationafci.com/resources/doc_ieee_combination_afci.pdf

~RJ~
Click to expand...
RJ, You did not respond to my sentence, at all. Your link, while having lots of pages and lots of technical data, has nothing about field testing.
 
romex jockey said:
al hildenbrand said:
Can you provide either documentation, or a link to documentation, from Eaton that says that? The BR AFCI has been rumored to be without a ground fault component for easily half a decade, but no one can show that Eaton says so. Have you actually found the document?
Click to expand...

UL1699
covers them all Al

~RJ~
Click to expand...

:?:blink::?:blink:

Well, yeah, it does. . . . so ?????

Again, this is a canard, as it does not respond to the actual question about Eaton documentation.
 
al hildenbrand said:
Still hoping for manufacturer documentation . . .
Click to expand...
You are unconvinced by the absence of a "Ground Fault" trip code in the brochure that ramsy posted in that thread? Technical Data sheet TD003001EN from Eaton also omits any mention of "Ground Fault" in its list of trip codes.

Cheers, Wayne
 
Last edited:
wwhitney said:
You are unconvinced by the absence of a "Ground Fault" trip code in the cut sheet that ramsy posted in that thread?

Cheers, Wayne
Click to expand...
I read the words in the cut sheet as advertising copy. . . clearly not installation instructions.

I, again, am searching the web for document Peter D has thrown away, and am still finding nothing . . .

Show me, Wayne, show me.
 
Look, if Eaton really had a single pole combination-type BR AFCI, WITHOUT ground fault circuitry, WHY are they still selling BRL215AF and BRL220CAF as shown on their copyrighted 2019 Web Catalog Pages:

[url]https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/catalog/electrical-circuit-protection/br-circuit-breakers.technical.html[/url]

:?:?:?

GE doesn't offer any two-pole combination-type AFCI. . . AND they virtually yell about the advantage of the absence of the ground fault circuitry.

Still can't find anything other than "silence" at Eaton.
 
al hildenbrand said:
Yeah, I've read that. It's from 2012. It doesn't seem to be dated late 2018 like Peter D claimed his was.
Click to expand...

I don't care what you're not finding on the internet. The leaflet that comes with the breakers now is dated 2018. Go buy one for yourself and see. While you're at it, conduct your own tests. :thumbsup:

al hildenbrand said:
Look, if Eaton really had a single pole combination-type BR AFCI, WITHOUT ground fault circuitry, WHY are they still selling BRL215AF and BRL220CAF as shown on their copyrighted 2019 Web Catalog Pages:

https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/cata...protection/br-circuit-breakers.technical.html

:?:?:?

GE doesn't offer any two-pole combination-type AFCI. . . AND they virtually yell about the advantage of the absence of the ground fault circuitry.

Still can't find anything other than "silence" at Eaton.
Click to expand...

Are you really this stubborn to accept reality? :?:? I conducted two real life field tests and you're hanging your hat on documentation. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. :roll:
 
peter d said:
LarryFine said:
Suitable for MWBCs?
Click to expand...
Theoretically yes, but the literature doesn't say that as of now.
Click to expand...

Look, even you say the installation sheet you had doesn't support your "theoretical understanding".

My anecdotal testing can't be provided as documentation to my AHJ. Eaton has to actually publish it. . .
 
Soooo, I wonder what the OP [MENTION=160601]williamphelps[/MENTION] has to say. He hasn't been back, we probably scared him off or he's trying to make sense of all this.:eek:hmy:

-Hal
 
al hildenbrand said:
RJ, You did not respond to my sentence, at all. Your link, while having lots of pages and lots of technical data, has nothing about field testing.
Click to expand...

al hildenbrand said:
Look, even you say the installation sheet you had doesn't support your "theoretical understanding".

My anecdotal testing can't be provided as documentation to my AHJ. Eaton has to actually publish it. . .
Click to expand...

Al, the point is, that technical data details why field testing will never and a day be acceptable.

UL created a standard (instead of testing to one) that can not be duplicated w/o a 'simulator' .

This nfpa EE's 'field test' rop was rejected by cmp-2 on said grounds>

https://youtu.be/iLmC5quELrE

~RJ~
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top