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peter d said:
And none of this changes the fact that the Eaton BR AFCI does not contain GFPE, contrary to your claims. :cool:
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Well peter d I welcome the documentation of that as published by Eaton, et. al.

I have not CLAIMED anything in THIS THREAD about the "Eaton next generation BR type AFCI." I have only asked if a current Eaton type BR AFCI installation instruction sheet could be shared.

Please get over yourself.
 
romex jockey said:
I speak/write rather clearly, thx Al

The bottom line to 99% of all afci threads is simple

'how does it work'?:?

Now we can ring up manufacturers specs ,aka 110.3B , on any make model, can we not?

All their claims are based on UL1699 (follow so far??)

UL1699 was created in conjunction with eth CSPC & NEMA , it was a contest originally.

NEMA had an afci-task force.

the chair was a Dr Joe Engel EE Phd, who ,in '12 fowarded a lengthly dissertation to the IEEE aka 'COMBINATION AFCIs:WHAT THEY WILL AND WILL NOT DO'
http://www.combinationafci.com/resources/doc_ieee_combination_afci.pdf
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https://www.mikeholt.com/documents/nec/pdf/Arc-FaultCircuitInterrupters.pdf

This is where the afci 'buck' stops

and is further supported by this site's owner/operator

https://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/AFCI-HTML/HTML/AFCI_Cutler-Hammer_Responds~20021002.htm

~RJ~
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Please help understand your "plain-ness."\

Are you asking me if I take how an AFCI works as gospel?
 
al hildenbrand said:
Well peter d I welcome the documentation of that as published by Eaton, et. al.

I have not CLAIMED anything in THIS THREAD about the "Eaton next generation BR type AFCI." I have only asked if a current Eaton type BR AFCI installation instruction sheet could be shared.

Please get over yourself.
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You claimed I have "little credibility" despite posting real world test results that prove the BR AFCI does not have GFPE. I welcome you or anyone else to prove me wrong anytime. The documentation issue is moot at this point.

I posted the information about the lack of GFPE for the benefit of contractors, since that is a desired thing for AFCI's not to have these days.
 
and we do thank you Pete.

credibility is not the sole penchant of manufacturers, we are the final petri dish, we constitute viability in the sense of front line /end user ,than that of shill manufacturers.

~RJ~
 
Read it and weep, Al. :cool:

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al hildenbrand said:
First, thanks, peter d for the work the three pictures represents. I really appreciate the intent.

Second, the sheet is for the Dual Function, not the BR AFCI.

Sorry.
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Did you see the text in first picture I posted? :huh: It's the same leaflet that comes with all AF, DF, GFCI and GFPE breakers.
 
peter d said:
Did you see the text in first picture I posted? :huh: It's the same leaflet that comes with all AF, DF, GFCI and GFPE breakers.
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Thanks, . . . I was distracted by the second (middle) image that lists "Safety Instructions", all of which start with "This AF/GF"

As a result of your last post, I now have unpacked the White capital "G" inside a black square at the right side the bulleted Safety Instruction titled "Ground Faults".

The white "G" in the black box refers to the note, in the box below the list of "Safety Instructions", that says: "Ground Fault function only: Does not apply to AFCI devices."

Peter d, what are the Installation Instructions? Your photo shows that they are there, . . .
 
So far, searches for installation leaflet IL003022EN is yielding absolutely nothing.
 
al hildenbrand said:
Thanks, . . . I was distracted by the second (middle) image that lists "Safety Instructions", all of which start with "This AF/GF"

As a result of your last post, I now have unpacked the White capital "G" inside a black square at the right side the bulleted Safety Instruction titled "Ground Faults".

The white "G" in the black box refers to the note, in the box below the list of "Safety Instructions", that says: "Ground Fault function only: Does not apply to AFCI devices."

Peter d, what are the Installation Instructions? Your photo shows that they are there, . . .
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I posted them above.

What I infer from the instructions and proved with my field tests is that the AF breaker does not detect a hard N-G fault because the GFPE is now absent. That is why it says the GF portion only applies to the DF breaker, based on those "G" symbols.
 
That instruction sheet is very confusing because it seems to cover a number of devices. Then it's poorly organized and written. Not only because of the damn multiple languages but because you have to really look at it and find the footnotes. :thumbsdown:

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
That instruction sheet is very confusing because it seems to cover a number of devices. Then it's poorly organized and written. Not only because of the damn multiple languages but because you have to really look at it and find the footnotes. :thumbsdown:

-Hal
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Agreed, it's a one-size-fits-all for all their electronic breakers for all of North America. :roll:
 
I had the debate with Al over a year ago and he would not accept that Eaton had removed the GF sensing from standard BR AFCI breakers. I have never used a GE AFCI breaker but do the instructions specifically state that they don't have GF protection? Its obvious they don't but just curious if its actually stated in the instructions.
 
curt swartz said:
I had the debate with Al over a year ago and he would not accept that Eaton had removed the GF sensing from standard BR AFCI breakers. I have never used a GE AFCI breaker but do the instructions specifically state that they don't have GF protection? Its obvious they don't but just curious if its actually stated in the instructions.
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There is nothing that I know that mentions anything about GF protection in any manufactures' AFCI info, it was always just a given that it is or, in context of this discussion, was part of the breaker.
 
The bottom line for me is this - the only way to know for sure is to test the breaker as I did. The manufacturers literature offers very little to nothing in the way of definitive information and requires a lot of inference to figure out if the breaker contains GFPE or not. I'm glad the Klein tester has the 30 mA function in it.
 
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