GFI On raised island counter top

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I like this one. Can we just consider wall counter space as wall counter space as in connected to a wall? Only if you consider the counter space to be a peninsula, should you require one receptacle...from the connecting edge. Islands should be just that... islands.
 
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I think that this island would be required to comply with the 2 foot rule.

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[ December 17, 2005, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
 
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jwelectric looks like the chair side of that first island could be considered a wall space.
 
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Why would you think that Mike. It is an island plain and simple. One receptacle is all that is required. Where in the code does it say islands that have different levels shall be treated any different than islands with one level?
 
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Originally posted by jbwhite:
jwelectric looks like the chair side of that first island could be considered a wall space.
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Please don't confuse this thread. That is a whole different situation.
 
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Ok to get back on topic.
I can easily see the logic in wanting the 2 foot rule for these types of installations. The family comes for the festive holliday weekend and the extra crock pots and cookers have a handy place to go.

I dont think that the wording of the code says that. for example in the second picture this is an island. no seperations.
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
I think that this island would be required to comply with the 2 foot rule.
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I do not see 'wall space' in either of your pictures.

They both clearly show islands.

Island
Function: noun
1 : a tract of land surrounded by water and smaller than a continent

2 : something resembling an island especially in its isolated or surrounded position
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Main Entry: wall
Pronunciation: 'wol

Function: noun

2 : one of the sides of a room or building connecting floor and ceiling or foundation and roof
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From my perspective, each island in the above photos would need only (1) receptacle to meet CODE.

The top picture doesn't show the countertop.

Now, I would agree that it would be a better design choice to install more than (1).

I see no wallspace.

I do hate the eyeball trims in the sloped ceiling, though.
 
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Is this horse dead yet? Oh, and we should understand that 210.52(C)(5) deals with the receptacle location and the exception that if the top is flat, that it is allowed to install it below the top. If the top is not flat across, then the code prefers the receptacle be located at the aformentioned backsplash. Ok, I think it's dead now.
 
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Ray the problem is the horse lives untill everybody is on the same page. Here at the forum, you can't kill a horse.!
 
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Originally posted by ty:
From my perspective, each island in the above photos would need only (1) receptacle to meet CODE.

The top picture doesn't show the countertop.

Now, I would agree that it would be a better design choice to install more than (1).

I see no wallspace.

I do hate the eyeball trims in the sloped ceiling, though.
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I'm Todd and all of the others. One receptacle for an island.
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
In this picture I can not find an island. Maybe I am blind in both of my eyes instead of just one.
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That could explain it. :D

Originally posted by jwelectric:
Should I be the code enforcement official I would see 210.52(B)(1) fulfilled or I would not pass the installation.
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Well that would be a wrong decision. :D (IMO)

Originally posted by jwelectric:
Maybe some in this forum just don?t understand what an island is..
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I suggest that some in this forum do not understand how a dictionary can help in identifying things like walls and islands. :p
 
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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Originally posted by jbwhite:
jwelectric looks like the chair side of that first island could be considered a wall space.
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Please don't confuse this thread. That is a whole different situation.
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We were willing to leave the knee wall issue for a different thread. But since you bring it up... I think you are right.
 
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I am not a botanist, I would just call it a plant. :D (IMO)

[ December 17, 2005, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 
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In that picture you have an island with a raised seating area. It is still an island. That is not a wall it is part of the structure of the island. It is no different than if you had the seating area at the same height as the rest of the countertop.
As usual Mike you are waaaayyyy overthinking this.

[ December 17, 2005, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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I was talking about the candle but I will accept a knee wall.

Did anyone notice how the wife has me trained to lower the lid?
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