electrofelon
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What if there is a vapor retarder and/or insulation under the slab?
GFI Requirement?
- Thread starter Andy Delle
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What if there is a vapor retarder and/or insulation under the slab?
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- Tennessee NEC:2017
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- Semi-Retired Electrician
Buck Parrish
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- NC & IN
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
kwired
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DIY advice isn't permitted here either.
Determining what is DIY advice and what is just technical information is sometimes a bit of a fine line.
Some comments on various replies:
10 x 13 addition was mentioned. This is large enough to be used for many different things. What is is called on any permits, zoning documents, etc?
Is there drains in the floor and is used as or has a washdown area?
From 210.8(A)(2):"Garages, and also accessory buildings that have a floor located at or below grade level not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and areas of similar use"
Seems most would call this an area covered by this section.
If it is determined to be a habitable area then it likely needs to have receptacles in compliance with 210.52 and possibly even AFCI protection.
Buck Parrish
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You really need to wash that dog before you groom it. Mine got sprayed by a skunk. Some one said pour tomato juice all over him. Wow, I don't recommend that. With that long hair he was a bloody mess, for sure then.
kwired
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OP did mention this is not for a dog grooming business - so apparently just for the owner's own dog grooming purposes. May or may not have bare concrete floor and washing area, or even could just have a tub or shower space that is for washing.
If there is a basin and a tub or shower then it fits the NEC definition of bathroom.
If there is a basin and a tub or shower then it fits the NEC definition of bathroom.
Nahh,,,, they just charge extra for that.
As far as a GFI Receptacle being required going by the original post that "Indoor Wet Location" would seem to be as close as we can get to requiring one.
But some would even argue that including myself.
All the talk about sinks, power washing the floor, washing the dog prior to grroming,etc... is all speculation.
Going strictly by the facts of the original post, I would say GFI is not required.
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kwired
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The speculations were mostly attempts to get more details as the OP had little details.
If it were a "for business" grooming operation you would think that increases the chances of being a wet location or at least having an area that is a wet location. Since it is not for business seems there is all kinds of variety possible in what this may or may not have.
I agree.
But based strictly on post #1 would the answer be yes or no to GFI protection being required?
Mine would be no.
JAP>
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No, you're not missing anything.
Just a lot of assumptions to require something that's actually not.
JAP>
I think Jap was speculating about what might be there.
OTOH, there may not be any sink at all---they may just use the room for trimming/brushing/manicures.
Unless the OP comes back, we just don't know.
No Jap wasn't speculating.
To the contrary, as I stated, according to what was posted in post #1, I cant see where GFI protection would be required at all.
Post 16 is actually where all the speculation started.
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These are the kinds of questions that drive inspectors crazy. Can I run plastic pipe out to my barn and run wire through it? Yes you can. Then you get out there and the pipe is six inches down and they pulled NMC through it and it's got five 90's. Guess I should have asked some more questions.
Maybe it is just a room. Maybe they wash the dogs in the bathroom tub or outside, but since we don't know the real answer is "maybe".
Maybe it is just a room. Maybe they wash the dogs in the bathroom tub or outside, but since we don't know the real answer is "maybe".
Maybe you just need to approach those scenarios with a different outlook.
It's not your job to answer all those questions.
If you're an inspector you're job is to inspect and see that the installation is up to code.
Instead of asking more questions and offering advice as to how the install should be for every different scenario, try not offering any advise at all.
Let them install it incorrectly and keep making them take it out and redo it until they either get it right, call a qualified electrician, or run out of money.
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