grounding at detached garage

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Gmack,

I'm also unclear about what you are trying to say.

One thing I am clear about is that you are trying to punctuate your point by not so subtly insulting George and his experience.

George is the first to admit if he is off base on something. He also backs up everything he posts with some substantiation. I've never met anyone with his enthusiasm and dedication to learning. IMO he has a very solid understanding of electrical code and theory. I'm sure he has a lot more to learn, which is why he is so active here. Don't we all. He is very clear and logical in presenting all of his posts. I consider George a friend and personally I am insulted by your references. The reason you know that he has only been in the field for 4 years is because he has the humility to present it and occasionally joke about it himself. If he kept his profile private or better yet embelleshed it none of us would be any the wiser.

I don't see how insulting someone assists you in presenting and substantiating your views. There are some pretty bright individuals on this forum who do not follow you. I for one would prefer it if you'd keep your arguments related to electrical topics.

I sat on these thoughts for a while before posting. I don't want to get into a war of words, so perhaps we can just move on.
 
roger said:
Dan, read the second post in this thread.

Roger
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Oops - my bad. I edited the post to acknowledge early answers.

"The boy's doin' a lot of choppin', but there ain't any chips flyin'."

Dan

BTW - nice peppers.
 
j_erickson said:
Gmack,

I'm also unclear about what you are trying to say.

One thing I am clear about is that you are trying to punctuate your point by not so subtly insulting George and his experience.

George is the first to admit if he is off base on something. He also backs up everything he posts with some substantiation. I've never met anyone with his enthusiasm and dedication to learning. IMO he has a very solid understanding of electrical code and theory. I'm sure he has a lot more to learn, which is why he is so active here. Don't we all. He is very clear and logical in presenting all of his posts. I consider George a friend and personally I am insulted by your references. The reason you know that he has only been in the field for 4 years is because he has the humility to present it and occasionally joke about it himself. If he kept his profile private or better yet embelleshed it none of us would be any the wiser.

I don't see how insulting someone assists you in presenting and substantiating your views. There are some pretty bright individuals on this forum who do not follow you. I for one would prefer it if you'd keep your arguments related to electrical topics.

I sat on these thoughts for a while before posting. I don't want to get into a war of words, so perhaps we can just move on.
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Erick, he is off base and he has no business representing Electrical Contractors/ Master Electricians anymore than DIY's.

Go back to the Home Page and read what this site represents.

George is not at the top.

I didnt look at your bio, but as you stated your position is to defend your "friend"

I coudnt care less when that obscures saftey.
 
Dan, no apology needed, and thanks for the pepper compliment.


Roger
 
Gmack said:
Erick, he is off base and he has no business representing Electrical Contractors/ Master Electricians anymore than DIY's
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Gmack...all.

This stops now or this thread will be closed.

George is a licensed journeyman, he has as much right to say his view as you have to say yours.

What you do not have a right to do is insult other members of this forum.
 
Gmack, it is quite obvious that you are intimidated by George so get over it, he is your (our) peer in knowledge, we all see it, so should you.

Roger
 
iwire said:
Gmack you seem to feel it is Georges lack of experience or knowledge that is the problem here.

Well I have almost 25 years into the trade and am pretty sharp when it comes to grounding, bonding, open neutrals etc.

That said I have no idea what you are trying to tell us.

I have tried to understand as this is a subject I am always interested in.

Maybe you could take a moment and try to explain it in different words, or draw it and send it to me so I can post it.
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Bob,

Bull.
 
iwire said:
Gmack...all.

This stops now or this thread will be closed.

George is a licensed journeyman, he has as much right to say his view as you have to say yours.

What you do not have a right to do is insult other members of this forum.
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You see, if a member doesnt follow "step".

Then the "insult" word comes to play.

Roger, take another "valum"

Bob, you said "If it doesnt resort to "flaming" then all is allowed.

Now you seniors want to coddle a inexperienced member as if he was "ready"

I want no part in it.

Bob, toss this thread. It wont change the "fact"
 
Gmack said:
First off, others and I were talking about "line side" service open neutral.
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The title of this thread is "grounding at detached garage." I understood references to service grounding as analogies for making arguments, for and against EGC's for remote building feeders.

For example, Don said that he didn't like the way they treat non-EGC services as totally normal and change their minds when it came to detached building feeders. I share the sentiment.

It's been said that there are more open neutrals on services than on the load side of the service. I agree.

However, the discussion has always been about remote building feeders. You even asked at one point, "What is the advantage of a 4-wire feeder?"

So, can we discuss the pros and cons of non-EGC and an EGC feeders? You speak of how little I understand; I am sitting here waiting to at least understand your intense disapproval of EGC-included feeders.

I can understand a "They're pointless" stance.
I cannot understand a "They're dangerous" stance.
 
Gmack said:
Now you seniors want to coddle a inexperienced member as if he was "ready"

I want no part in it.
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In that case, explain your position, and educate. We've had enough fun exchanging insults for one day.

Now, let's just discuss.
 
georgestolz said:
The title of this thread is "grounding at detached garage." I understood references to service grounding as analogies for making arguments, for and against EGC's for remote building feeders.

For example, Don said that he didn't like the way they treat non-EGC services as totally normal and change their minds when it came to detached building feeders. I share the sentiment.

It's been said that there are more open neutrals on services than on the load side of the service. I agree.

However, the discussion has always been about remote building feeders. You even asked at one point, "What is the advantage of a 4-wire feeder?"

So, can we discuss the pros and cons of non-EGC and an EGC feeders? You speak of how little I understand; I am sitting here waiting to at least understand your intense disapproval of EGC-included feeders.

I can understand a "They're pointless" stance.
I cannot understand a "They're dangerous" stance.
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See George, we transend this place, you and me.

Bob may be the end of it.

Im sure that you know I did not "insult" you.

Thats why you and I should decide. To have "free speach"

Ive tweaked and or rejected some of your postings

Others in her want to act as the Taliban and stop that.

Then what is a "forum"?

George, I question your knowledge and experience and your ability to apply NEC and make a safe installation.

Your not ready.
 
Gmack said:
See George, we transend this place, you and me.

Bob may be the end of it.

Im sure that you know I did not "insult" you.

Thats why you and I should decide. To have "free speach"

Ive tweaked and or rejected some of your postings

Others in her want to act as the Taliban and stop that.

Then what is a "forum"?

George, I question your knowledge and experience and your ability to apply NEC and make a safe installation.

Your not ready.
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The forum is to discuss NEC issues. Not to evaluate each other. Why not keep your mano a mano discussion with George private? Even after an invitation for further on topic discussion, you're not in?
 
Gmack said:
Bob may be the end of it.
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Your right, I said drop it...you did not.

Threads closed.

Anyone that wants to discuss the electrical issues raised here is more than welcome to start a new thread.
 
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