Have Backstabs Improved?

[celtic]

Personally, I don't view a code compliant installation as "cutting corners".

Now if the people in the 350k home WANT all #12 run, then no back stabbing will happen....other wise, you get what you pay for.

 

[Mule]

I just refuse to backstab any device and honestly, i wish they would ban these types of connections, too many times have i pulled an outlet or switch only to have a wire pop out of the stab. I go so far as to tell my home owners that all of my terminations are done with twisted wires and wire nuts, and all devices are wired to the screw. It takes time and i think it is worth it.

every time a load is applied, that little pressure joint heats up, then cools, then heats up, i believe it takes the spring out of the metal, annealing it, thus a bad connection and just more heat the next time.

Yep, we dont use them either.....and I like how you present a quality job to your customer....we need more folks like that...:smile:

 

[76nemo]

Personally, I don't view a code compliant installation as "cutting corners".

Now if the people in the 350k home WANT all #12 run, then no back stabbing will happen....other wise, you get what you pay for.

celtic, man,........you are smarter than that book. I had this arguement with chevy just last week. I don't care what that book says, that book is a standard. I know you are above that standard celtic.

 

[Mule]

Personally, I don't view a code compliant installation as "cutting corners".

Now if the people in the 350k home WANT all #12 run, then no back stabbing will happen....other wise, you get what you pay for.

I've made this statement before, but if anyone ran #14 in this town they would ALL go into shock....!!

 

[celtic]

celtic, man,........you are smarter than that book. I had this arguement with chevy just last week. I don't care what that book says, that book is a standard. I know you are above that standard celtic.

Thanks nemo :smile:

 

[GUNNING]

what do the union guys do?

what do the union guys do?

Backstab or hook?

 

[celtic]

what do the union guys do?
Backstab or hook?

Like any employee, that would depend on what the particular EC wants done.

Unless, of course, you are asking a union EC what he prefers.

 

[mdshunk]

what do the union guys do?
Backstab or hook?

They use backwired devices with pressure plates.

 

[Mule]

Like any employee, that would depend on what the particular EC wants done.

Unless, of course, you are asking a union EC what he prefers.

and reguardless of the reliability issue, its been my experience that the union boys dont want anything deminishing man/hr units. The IBEW guys that Ive worked around are top notch IMO.....SaaaLute !!!

 

[LarryFine]

.....SaaaLute !!!

 

[Mule]

Your killing me !! you read my mind...

 

[celtic]

I don't get it :-?

What's with the cast of Hee-Haw?

 

[ohm]

I never use backstabs, don't like the wiggle. If I have to open a box and find one I'll hook it before I re-install it. I've seen what a bolted short can do to a pair of sidecutters when you try to cut a live piece of romex. What do you suppose would happen to a backstabbed receptacle with a bolted short?

Call me crazy, I don't even install #14, especially after AFCI's were required. At $35 a breaker I want as many outlets as possible on an AFCI.

By the way how do you guys feel about stranded wire?

 

[celtic]

What do you suppose would happen to a backstabbed receptacle with a bolted short?

If installed properly, wouldn't the OCPD trip?

Call me crazy, I don't even install #14, especially after AFCI's were required. At $35 a breaker I want as many outlets as possible on an AFCI.

I don't see what your point is here :-?
Are you paying for the AFCI?

 

[480sparky]

I don't get it :-?

What's with the cast of Hee-Haw?

They are Saaa-Lute-ing.

 

[celtic]

They are Saaa-Lute-ing.

ok then......

LOL

 

[ohm]

If installed properly, wouldn't the OCPD trip?




I don't see what your point is here :-?
Are you paying for the AFCI?

Yea the breaker will trip after it melts the stabs in the receptacles, just like the Kliens.

And the less I spend on AFCI's the more is that is left over for numero uno.

 

[ItsHot]

Lou-Lou

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I miss Lou-Lou!

 

[celtic]

Yea the breaker will trip after it melts the stabs in the receptacles, just like the Kliens.

Why would the stabs melt in the first place?
Something a bit more is invovled for a bolted short to occur.

And the less I spend on AFCI's the more is that is left over for numero uno.

So use #14 and save even more.

 

[Minuteman]

Removes most doubt.


I did a service call a few weeks ago on an installation I did a couple/few years ago. Single pole switches to a evap cooler/pump, 4s box/inustrial cover.

Both switches were wrapped of course and both switches were somehow broken at the terminals??? I have NO idea how it happened. Did I over tighten and crack them on installation? Doubtful, but who knows.

I know that you said that you installed the switches, but I had a guy that kept cracking switches and outlets. Caught him using a 18v DeWalt drill at high speed, without using the clutch. Go figure.