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Edit: Oops, sorry, missed the part about Hubbell in your post.

Yours for 15 bucks plus shipping:

HUBBELL HBL5552B AC Receptacle NEMA 2-20 Female Black 250 Volt 20 Amp





http://www.stayonline.com/detail.aspx?id=4772

i recommend everyone grab the NEMA WD 6 doc frmm NEMA (free, cant repost per their agreement), just create a new user if need be. search Gool for "NEMA WD 6"

from it i see that 2-20P should fit into NEMA 1-15, but may not, the 2-20P pin spec is the min # for 1-15R hole size. a 2-30P should not fit into a 1-15 T-slot combo.

so, i may conclude that the 1-15R T-slot US Combo receptacle that you listed can accept 1-15P, 2-15P, and maybe a 2-20P.
 
I don't care what it looks like, it is NOT a 250 volt receptacle. Follow the link I gave and see for yourself.

There is NO NEMA designation for a double T slot 125 volt receptacle, but they are being sold nonetheless. Most receptacles will have a NEMA configuration, but not all, which may be why the NEMA designations are not part of the standard lexicon of the trade for 15 and 20 amp receptacles.

It is not a current configuration and likely never was......

Fiona, these are from a thread awhile back about these same receptacles.....

... those old double tee receptacles were never intended for 240 volts or 20 amp equipment. The reason for the t slots existence was that in the early 1900s there were two competing 120v plug designs- the modern parallel and a 2 prong tandem Flat design and the t slot was simply a device that would accommodate both plug types.

The reason for the dual 125v/15 amp 250v/10 amp rating on old receptacles (many old recs that only accept parallels are marked the same way) is b/c lighting ckts were limited to 10 amps for ckts over 125 volts until the 1950s or so due to some rule in the NEC from what I've read.

There is no evidence that the t slot was ever recognized as a true Nema pattern and Nema standards changed in the 50s or 60s to where flat blade plug designs were reserved for 220 v or higher voltages to kind of give you at a minimum an approximate age of 120v equipment that has that old plug......

Beyond that, the old double tees were effectively banned by the 1971 NEC rules on interchangeability.



Yes they do still manufacture that old t slot and it's called a Leviton 5000-i and it, much like the beast in your link, isn't listed. The 5000-i is for replacement use only, but no way should they be put in- rewire, gfci options or a brand new 1-15 only where one is removed.

But wait, that would mean such an outlet was indeed good for 250 volts, right?

Sure they were- they had the rating. Even some old light switches, light fixtures,even Hubbell t slot socket adapters had a similar dual rating. But don't bother asking why the ampacity limitation for gen/lighting ckt over 125v- I have no idea, and obviously the question would be where would such voltages be used/available over here for those ckt types. Many dwellings built in the early 1900s that had these devices installed only had 120v svcs.

The theory about 240v equipment being used in those recs makes sense except that there is a dearth of equipment from that era that could have used 240 and had a tandem blade plug that could fit the t slot rec and as mentioned above the other "parallel only" rec type and other devices had the same dual rating. Its also doubtful that, even then, such a device would be permitted in which an accident (120 equipment hit w/240) could so easily occur if the outlet's true voltage was unknown.

IIRC, there was an NEC 10 amp limit for lighting ckts originally- this was likely because of circumstances surrounding the lack of conveinence recs/modern branch ckts in dwellings at that time- think of an iron plugged into an adapter screwed into a lamp with is plugged into adapter screwed in ceiling socket and all of that small conductor (cords) carrying that load- a lot of fires then. Eventually it was raised to 15a in the 1920s (makes sense b/c of the growing use of wall recs in new installations deeming all those adapter doohickeys/cords draped everywhere increasingly unnecessary) , but the old rule was still in effect for lighting ckts over 125v and stayed that why until the '50s- no clue why as it made no sense. (sorry to sound repetitive:p)

And lastly, there was this excellent perspective....

V V V V V V V V

It's hard to imagine that the Tesla Westinghouse 1895 demonstration of useful horsepower (three phase AC motors) supplied from a generator eighty miles away (the Niagara Falls hydro electric plant) is only 120 years ago.

There were no "standards" to speak of, for AC power distribution at this proof-of-concept demonstration. . . all the AC standards followed.

I agree with User100's statement about the double tee slot receptacle in your photo. It has its roots in a manufacturer trying to get more market-share with a device that would receive both the standard parallel blade male cord plug as well as the competing male cord plug standard of two flat blades. Both were for 120 Volt loads.

The trap, in my opinion, is to try to understand the creation of materials standards through the lens of today's standards. Can't be done.
 
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I agree, until my job changed to where I was using different receptacles all the time I did not know about the NEMA designations.

Now I know a lot of them and it makes ordering easier.

....:D
It has been years since I installed a NEMA rated receptacle, so I really don't know their numbering system.
 
Non NEMA designated receptacles?

Yes, hundreds of them.

For instance look at the search term and results in this Google search.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cal...utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=california+50+amp+receptacle

well, i was nit-picking. NEMA provides specifications, a maker makes the items to the specifications, UL or ETL (or other OSHA NRTL) certifies the ratings via some test.

in my view, NEMA does not have "rated" items, only specifications. i link "rating" to UL and the like. another example is a non-NRTL item that was made to NEMA "specifications".

see, a NEMA 5-15r tells me size, shape, max voltage allowed, max amps allowed, but that alone is far from a rating. a 5-15 could literally be designed to keep the lights on at 15amps yet due to poor design the internals may be running way too hot.

the two are closely related, but different.

as odd as that sounds, see the definitions
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/rating
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/specification
 
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