Hurry we need a price, when? "Tomorrow 2pm" you've got to be kidding?

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mivey

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Mule,

You would be taken more seriously if when you made a scene and slammed the front door on your way out, you didn't just walk around the house and come in the back door.

Just sayin'
That just struck a funny picture in my head.:smile:

Mule,

I appreciate anyone that will stand up and speak their mind and defend themselves when they feel slighted. The problem is, this is just a forum and I'm not sure how much of a stand anyone can make here. I'm even less sure that it really matters anyway, but it can be entertaining some times.

I will say that you do seem to be able to recognize your weaknesses and want to work on them. Being able to self-evaluate is a virtue. Don't sweat the stuff that gripes you as the members here won't be at the family reunion.

Keep posting. Be the duck.
 

Mule

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Location
Oklahoma
Let me tell this small story....sorry for its length.

Early in my career working electrical maintenance for a petroleum company I had the pleasure of working beside several IBEW guys through the years and they impressed me with their work habits and workmanship, not to mention they were a great bunch of guys...I alway admired them, they were my hero's. So this image of knowledge, character and workmanship was burnt into my brain for years.

So much later in my career , I went to work for a 100 year old refinery in another town that was much more remote or should I say just plain hillbilly. This was also a IBEW union shop but very very very different. The only difference these guys were "B" tickets instead of "A" ticket. There was no training, food on the floor, no proceedures, filthy shop, filthy language, and very antiquated in many ways, which was starchely different from my earlier experience.

So after a year, management called me in the office and set me down, and they wanted me to promote to supervisor. I was shocked, and the first question from my mouth was in reguard to seniority as I still had respect for these guys, and besides I was the last on the food chain. They said they had alot of problems in the shop, and they wanted me to change it and I was the guy they were looking for to do it. So I was younger and full of vigor and frankly agreed with them, and I was also too stupid to realize what was to come. So I said yes I'll do it, not realizing how difficult it would be to un-screw a 100 year old mindset. This bunch was the most lazy, untruthfull, back biting, code defiant, not to mention being management defiant, which now included me.

I tried everything, parties, total make over of the 1940's era shop, total make over of the instrument shop, analyzer shop, motor shop, PM crew, built a training room, bought training materials, computers, built a "out of town" training budget for the whole shop, new work benches, tools, you name it I did it. All they saw, was that I was a threat to them, because I was changing things, not that I was trying to help them at all. They cussed me, went behind my back, would not comply with proceedures and on and on it went. They made life for me miserable. I hated my job.

So in the end, I learned that you cant fix peoples attitude, but they will run over you if you let them, and its no fun. You either have to clean house, which I did not want to do, or leave. I was making good money, but that wasnt why I was there...I was there for the trade which I still love today. I also learned Im a happy go lucky guy not a person who wants to argue with someone everytime I turn around. So I later left, as I had come to point that it just wasnt worth it.

So here I am, and when someone lights me up, I have this opinion that I dont have to take it, nor do I have to stick around If I dont want to. But there are givers and takers in life and this forum is the same way, givers and takers. So pardon me for my being "over sensitive" about attitudes, as its just my hang up I guess, but I will defend myself.....But life is way too short for arguing, and its barely long enough for good fellowship and good times. And it doesnt matter if its a brother in the trade or a customer, they are both human beings. Every one deserves respect and a fair shake in business dealings, wages, and everyday trade. And thats just what I tend on doing in my new business.....
 

growler

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Atlanta,GA
I alway admired them, they were my hero's. There was no training, food on the floor, no proceedures, filthy shop, filthy language, and very antiquated in many ways.This bunch was the most lazy, untruthfull, back biting, code defiant, not to mention being management defiant, which now included me. They cussed me, went behind my back, would not comply with proceedures and on and on it went. They made life for me miserable. I hated my job. So I later left, as I had come to be "over sensitive" about attitudes, as its just my hang up I guess.

See how much more humorous and interesting the story is when you leave out all the unnecessary information ( no words were added only deleted).
You do know that the most fun you can have with a management type is to change around a few words on one of his reports. :D:D

Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone.:D
 

Mule

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Location
Oklahoma
See how much more humorous and interesting the story is when you leave out all the unnecessary information ( no words were added only deleted).
You do know that the most fun you can have with a management type is to change around a few words on one of his reports. :D:D

Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone.:D

Well let's see...... That's two that I predicted, guess we're still waiting on a couple others....come on...give it up. Laugh, giggle, destruct all you want.....come on...so everyone can see your true character........
 

iwire

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Location
Massachusetts
The problem is, this is just a forum and I'm not sure how much of a stand anyone can make here. I'm even less sure that it really matters anyway, but it can be entertaining some times.

You would think a guy that posts so much here would disagree that the forum really does not matter ....... well I don't. :smile:

I think that is right on the mark, when reading the forum I take away what I want and ignore the rest.

Life is far to short to get all hung up about what someone on a Internet forum says. :smile:
 

Mule

Senior Member
Location
Oklahoma
You would think a guy that posts so much here would disagree that the forum really does not matter ....... well I don't. :smile:


I think what matters to a person, depends largely on ones convictions. And its' obvious that varies from person to person...

I think that is right on the mark, when reading the forum I take away what I want and ignore the rest.

Very true, but If I or someone else continually degraded or poke'd at you Bob, you would get sick of it, flare up, and stand up, as you do... would you not? I assure you, you would.. because your character would not allow it.

Life is far to short to get all hung up about what someone on a Internet forum says. :smile:

When you dont have to look a man in the eye, one is more apt to say things on the internet that he wouldnt say other wise. It's like our concious doenst exist. or perhaps some folks dont have one... So your correct, and Im learning to take peoples darker side in stride, as they are probably not that bad in real life.


Very true, life is too short, to down grade others. I've done it, as others do, but out of being defensive, and regreted it, admited it, and apologized........
 

emahler

Senior Member
When you dont have to look a man in the eye, one is more apt to say things on the internet that he wouldnt say other wise. It's like our concious doenst exist. or perhaps some folks dont have one... So your correct, and Im learning to take peoples darker side in stride, as they are probably not that bad in real life.


Very true, life is too short, to down grade others. I've done it, as others do, but out of being defensive, and regreted it, admited it, and apologized........

on the flip side, when you are not face to face, there is less concern for feelings....and the end result is more truth, rather than a polite answer to not hurt feelings...does that make sense?
 

SEO

Senior Member
Location
Michigan
I told him I cant be fair to them and me and give them a price tomorrow as its simply not enough time and too many variables to work out. on :rolleyes:

Mule do you need this job? As far as giving them a price I think that you answered your own question. Hang in there!
 

iwire

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Location
Massachusetts
I think what matters to a person, depends largely on ones convictions. And its' obvious that varies from person to person...

It certainly does but your convictions are yours and that does not make them 'better' or worse then others.



Very true, but If I or someone else continually degraded or poke'd at you

THAT IS NOT HAPPENING TO YOU

People simply feel differently then you do, they disagree with you, that is not poking or degrading you.


When you dont have to look a man in the eye, one is more apt to say things on the internet that he wouldnt say other wise. It's like our concious doenst exist. or perhaps some folks dont have one... So your correct, and Im learning to take peoples darker side in stride, as they are probably not that bad in real life.

That is a perfect example of how you insult the members here. You are calling the integrity of the members here into question, that is insulting to many of us.
 

Mule

Senior Member
Location
Oklahoma
It certainly does but your convictions are yours and that does not make them 'better' or worse then others.





THAT IS NOT HAPPENING TO YOU

People simply feel differently then you do, they disagree with you, that is not poking or degrading you.




That is a perfect example of how you insult the members here. You are calling the integrity of the members here into question, that is insulting to many of us.

Bob, Im a truely sorry, I had no intention of insulting anyone, nor questioning anyones integrity........Sorry I just dont see where your coming from......but if that's the concensous, I can take the hint.......I'll shut up. I respect your position as moderator.........
 

dduffee260

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Location
Texas
Mule, noticed how you asked for help with some type of pricing and all you got was sarcasm? I hardly ever come on here any more because we are booked until the end of the year with projects. My guess is that there are no more than 3 to 4 estimators on here that could answer that. They will give you some sidetracked line of sarcasm but will never spit out a price.

The there are times they will delete a post because they will say it is off topic. Look at 85% of the post here. If they are on topic then I forgot what the topic was about. People come to a forum for advice of help. Not to get bashed by people who usually sit ringside at the lions den but have never been thrown to the lions so to speak.

If you ask about pricing on a Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, McDonalds, Holiday Inn or any office building or school etc., all you get are remarks on how cheap you are and how they demand $500 an hour because they are so highly skilled. Yet seems like most people on here are out of work quite a bit.

I understand how you feel just starting out. I think I started out just like you, a hard working electrician that everyone liked but did not know a thing about the business end of it. Seems like everyone is out to shoot you down. People feed off of seeing other people fail. It was the same way when I started out by myself 15 years ago with no money or help. If you need something then feel free to pm me and ask. I will try and give you an honest opinion on anything I can.
 

aline

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Location
Utah
When you dont have to look a man in the eye, one is more apt to say things on the internet that he wouldnt say other wise. It's like our concious doenst exist. or perhaps some folks dont have one... So your correct, and Im learning to take peoples darker side in stride, as they are probably not that bad in real life.
I vote from now on, when responding to Mule's posts, we say what we think Mule want's to hear instead of what we really think. :)

My wife's favorite show is American Idol. I don't watch it much, but from the little I've seen, Simon is the most honest judge on the show.

He speaks his true thoughts without worrying about whether or not the audience or contestants are going to like what he says.
He can look a man or woman in the eye and tell them what he really thinks.

I would rather people respond with their true thoughts to my posts on this forum. I may not like what they say and I may not agree with them but at least I know their speaking what's really on their minds and not just telling me what they think I want to hear.
 
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Rewire

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Around #23 mule starts to attack advice given
mule attacks again #37
mule gets cheerleader#38
mule attacks #40
Bob answers mules attack#41
Mule misreads bob #42
Dnk tries to mediate #43
Growler gives advice #46
Bob sets record straight #47
Charlie offers olive branch #49
Mule attacks #50
Aline counters #51
Sparky offers advice # 55
Mule attacks and others counter over the next few post
probably time to move on
 

electricmanscott

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Location
Boston, MA
Around #23 mule starts to attack advice given
mule attacks again #37
mule gets cheerleader#38
mule attacks #40
Bob answers mules attack#41
Mule misreads bob #42
Dnk tries to mediate #43
Growler gives advice #46
Bob sets record straight #47
Charlie offers olive branch #49
Mule attacks #50
Aline counters #51
Sparky offers advice # 55
Mule attacks and others counter over the next few post
probably time to move on

Now that made me want to read through the thread, and read I did. Dang that was entertaining. Emahlers line #57 was particularly hillarious. Well done! :grin:
 

iwire

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Location
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Around #23 mule starts to attack advice given
mule attacks again #37
mule gets cheerleader#38
mule attacks #40
Bob answers mules attack#41
Mule misreads bob #42
Dnk tries to mediate #43
Growler gives advice #46
Bob sets record straight #47
Charlie offers olive branch #49
Mule attacks #50
Aline counters #51
Sparky offers advice # 55
Mule attacks and others counter over the next few post
probably time to move on

:D

Bob closes thread # 80.
 
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