incandescent bulb ban and redcution of wattage

[Sierrasparky]

Have any of you been affected by the recent ban.
I had a customer recently was quite upset when I re-lamped her 4" can's with the new 39 watt Halogen.
she called me back and showed me the light illuminating her table. " doesn't that look dim to you. Dreary"
Yea it's a real pain trying to explain that those Govt yahoos you elected caused you this! They banned a real 50 watt Halogen.

Weird thing is you can still get a 50watt MR16


You can't seem to get the real Mccoy anymore.

 

[mopowr steve]

I'm with you on this one,
Lumen output should not be affected by the reduction of wattage, and don't give me this equivalent crap. They should have taken the highest lumen output of a particular wattage bulb and used it as a benchmark to design the new bulbs around instead of making up some equivalent lumen output of some bulbs that have already suffered from lower wattage mandates and having lessened lumen output compared to incandescent bulbs years ago. After all lighting designs were based on what a fixtures output would be and in many cases no one is planning on adding more fixtures to get the same amount of light that they used to have.

 

[mjf]

I'm really starting to grow fond of LED's

 

[Sierrasparky]

I'm with you on this one,
Lumen output should not be affected by the reduction of wattage, and don't give me this equivalent crap. They should have taken the highest lumen output of a particular wattage bulb and used it as a benchmark to design the new bulbs around instead of making up some equivalent lumen output of some bulbs that have already suffered from lower wattage mandates and having lessened lumen output compared to incandescent bulbs years ago. After all lighting designs were based on what a fixtures output would be and in many cases no one is planning on adding more fixtures to get the same amount of light that they used to have.

Exactly!
Add those Lutron ECO dimmers and you have a effective light output much less than expected.

 

[Sierrasparky]

I think they are fine in a kitchen work area or a garage. In a dine area living room or reading room I cannot stand them. Even a 90 CRI.

 

[Sierrasparky]

I am surprised nobody else sees this as an issue!

 

[gadfly56]

I am surprised nobody else sees this as an issue!

Never mind lumen output and CRI, I'm ticked at the life expectancy. I've posted this elswhere, but it bears repeating.

When they first came out, they touted 23,000 hour average life, even for dimmables. In my kitchen overheads, they barely lasted 2 years. Even if I left them on 24/7 I should, on average, get almost 3 years out of them. NOW they say basically you get 4,000 hours. At about 5X the cost of equivalent incandescents. No more CFL's for me, thanks.

 

[xformer]

I am surprised nobody else sees this as an issue!

I see it as an issue... I ran into the same issue for someone who recently replaced a ceiling fan... the light kit in the fan was being used for general lighting of a living room. The light kit had a wattage limiter on it and as a result dimly lit the room. The only recourse was to use CFLS or LED's. I think the industry intends to push us toward LED's with a CFL interlude..

 

[Sierrasparky]

I see it as an issue... I ran into the same issue for someone who recently replaced a ceiling fan... the light kit in the fan was being used for general lighting of a living room. The light kit had a wattage limiter on it and as a result dimly lit the room. The only recourse was to use CFLS or LED's. I think the industry intends to push us toward LED's with a CFL interlude..

Wattage limiter- was this for heat protection or energy savings.

 

[mopowr steve]

Wattage limiter- was this for heat protection or energy savings.

Some paddle fan manufacturers have installed wattage limiters in their fans which only allows up to approx 160-200 watts of total consumption for energy savings. Installing a combination of bulb wattages that goes over the limit will cause light kit to be disconnected by wattage limiter.

 

[xformer]

Some paddle fan manufacturers have installed wattage limiters in their fans which only allows up to approx 160-200 watts of total consumption for energy savings. Installing a combination of bulb wattages that goes over the limit will cause light kit to be disconnected by wattage limiter.

Actually, the experience I had caused the lamps to dim when the wattage of the lamps was over 200. Upon energizing the circuit, the lamps would full power, then in about a second they would dim...

 

[Sierrasparky]

Some paddle fan manufacturers have installed wattage limiters in their fans which only allows up to approx 160-200 watts of total consumption for energy savings. Installing a combination of bulb wattages that goes over the limit will cause light kit to be disconnected by wattage limiter.

interesting that the lighting manufature would do this nation wide I suppose that may be part of the Nations energy mandate.

 

[xformer]

interesting that the lighting manufature would do this nation wide I suppose that may be part of the Nations energy mandate.

I remember reading something about it being part of the energy mandate... Cant remember specifics though...

 

[xformer]

interesting that the lighting manufature would do this nation wide I suppose that may be part of the Nations energy mandate.

accepted


Here's the real story:



As required by the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPACT 2005), the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has established test procedures and energy conservation standards for ceiling fans and for ceiling fan light kits.

Ceiling fan light kits with any other socket type including but not limited to candelabra screw base sockets, intermediate screw-base sockets, 2-pin halogen sockets, and bayonet sockets manufactured on or after January 1, 2009, shall not be capable of operating with lamps that total more than 190 watts and must be packaged with lamps that together total 190 watts or less. DOE indicated in a January 11, 2007, final rule that it recognizes that manufacturers may choose to follow one of several possible design pathways to ensure that the light kit is not capable of operating with lamps that total more than 190 watts.

[URL="http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EERE-2006-TP-0121-0003"]
DOE is interpreting the 190-watt limit on power consumption for certain ceiling fan light kits as a design requirement. This approach will require that manufacturers incorporate some measure such as a fuse, circuit breaker or current-limiting device to ensure the light kit is not capable of operating with a lamp or lamps totaling more than 190 watts.


Found on inet

 

[Little Bill]

I may know of someone who may have bypassed the limiter in ceiling fan light kit!:angel:

 

[Sierrasparky]

accepted


Here's the real story:



As required by the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPACT 2005), the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has established test procedures and energy conservation standards for ceiling fans and for ceiling fan light kits.

Ceiling fan light kits with any other socket type including but not limited to candelabra screw base sockets, intermediate screw-base sockets, 2-pin halogen sockets, and bayonet sockets manufactured on or after January 1, 2009, shall not be capable of operating with lamps that total more than 190 watts and must be packaged with lamps that together total 190 watts or less. DOE indicated in a January 11, 2007, final rule that it recognizes that manufacturers may choose to follow one of several possible design pathways to ensure that the light kit is not capable of operating with lamps that total more than 190 watts.

[URL="http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EERE-2006-TP-0121-0003"]
DOE is interpreting the 190-watt limit on power consumption for certain ceiling fan light kits as a design requirement. This approach will require that manufacturers incorporate some measure such as a fuse, circuit breaker or current-limiting device to ensure the light kit is not capable of operating with a lamp or lamps totaling more than 190 watts.


Found on inet

Well there ya go! and it was not even Obama!

 

[strawburner]

I may know of someone who may have bypassed the limiter in ceiling fan light kit!:angel:

I think that makes two of us that knows somebody that bypassed the limiter

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[ActionDave]

Well there ya go! and it was not even Obama!

It wasn't even democrats.

 

[Sierrasparky]

It wasn't even democrats.

Maybe it was a Dem congress!
gotta blame them somehow.

 

[jtinge]

I think that makes two of us that knows somebody that bypassed the limiter

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I know a third.