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cowboyjwc said:
Here the minute the walls are framed you can start pulling wire.
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I know that is common place in construction out west, but are buildings still being wired that way with rampant copper theft nowadays?
 
What a bunch of nonsense. No good reason to have to wait for the windows and doors to be installed. Theft aside :wink:
 
chevyx92 said:
I don't think the code section you don't agree with cares about time. It hads to do with keeping the integrity of the premise wiring. IMO.
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If there is a roof on the job and the climate does not present a damp issue I don't think there is a darn thing he has to say.
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So again unless there is and issue relating to dampness. Window's and doors will not prevent coorosion from vapors. I can understand not having a panels bus installed untill after drywall. I do that anyway. That same Inspector could use the issue of temperature in Arizona in the summer. What then you're gonna tell the GC he cant wire the place untill the AC is on.

I'd tell that guy to go pound sand.
 
Sierrasparky said:
If there is a roof on the job and the climate does not present a damp issue I don't think there is a darn thing he has to say.
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So again unless there is and issue relating to dampness. Window's and doors will not prevent coorosion from vapors. I can understand not having a panels bus installed untill after drywall. I do that anyway. That same Inspector could use the issue of temperature in Arizona in the summer. What then you're gonna tell the GC he cant wire the place untill the AC is on.

I'd tell that guy to go pound sand.
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Well no, I agree with you if the enviornment like Arizona was the situation. But other states would vary, I guess it's where you live or the job in question is at. :)
 
What I think is that the inspector is using that code reference not because of what relates to but how it will affect the job.

See if most of the framing is complete then the wires have less of a chance of getting damaged due to nail and construction equipment.
Not a part of the cod cited.

What happens is that it makes the EC the last rough finished and
" HOLDING UP THE JOB " in the eyes of the GC..
 
chevyx92 said:
Well no, I agree with you if the enviornment like Arizona was the situation. But other states would vary, I guess it's where you live or the job in question is at. :)
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there is a saying where I live, "If you dont like the weather, stick around a few minutes it will probably change" it can be sunny, and out of nowhere get dark and rain like crazy, and then be sunny again in no time flat around here.
 
So does this mean you need to throw away a roll of romex cause it was in the back of your truck and it rained?
 
Sierrasparky said:
So does this mean you need to throw away a roll of romex cause it was in the back of your truck and it rained?
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Exactly! This is much ado about nothing, at least it should be but i guess it's not.
 
ultramegabob said:
there is a saying where I live, "If you dont like the weather, stick around a few minutes it will probably change" it can be sunny, and out of nowhere get dark and rain like crazy, and then be sunny again in no time flat around here.
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I think everyplace on earth makes this claim....:grin:
 
The way I see it, we're talking about a dry location, especially with the roof being in place and the inspector is just holding up the job.

Location, Dry. A location not normally subject to dampness or wetness. A location classified as dry may be temporarily subject to dampness or wetness, as in the case of a building under construction.
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I believe Southwire has a paper that backs this up for NM.

Roger
 
roger said:
The way I see it, we're talking about a dry location, especially with the roof being in place and the inspector is just holding up the job.

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I believe Southwire has a paper that backs this up for NM.

Roger
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I had an inspector, years ago, challenge me on this issue and I told him exactly what Roger stated above. It is a normally dry location. He complained but let it slide but called me a damn yankee before he left. :grin:
 
I would have no issue with the windows, what I would have an issue is are they all done framing, we had to stop a development because after the rough elec. was passed the framing crew would go back in and start installing blocking, and if the wiring was in the way it got smashed, nailed or cut, no choice but to slow them down
 
roger said:
The way I see it, we're talking about a dry location, especially with the roof being in place and the inspector is just holding up the job.

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I believe Southwire has a paper that backs this up for NM.

Roger
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Hey where did you find that one?:grin:
 
mpd said:
I would have no issue with the windows, what I would have an issue is are they all done framing, we had to stop a development because after the rough elec. was passed the framing crew would go back in and start installing blocking, and if the wiring was in the way it got smashed, nailed or cut, no choice but to slow them down
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I so much agree, I will not start the wire untill all the Blocking and hardware is in place. Nothing like a waffle head hammer screwing you new wires up:mad:
 
as long as i remember you were to wait till the shell was weather tite
some inspectors dont care some do.. you gotta warrantee it but it is a violation...
 
donselectric said:
but it is a violation...
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Based on what? Did you read the definition of "Location, Dry" I posted?

Roger
 
ItsHot said:
Since some new homes are being wired two and three times over due to copper theft, I think this is the concern in seeing that the structure can be secured.
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Construction Site theft is not of concern of the inspector. I don't think he has any legal authority over it.

If the GC cannot secure the site then it's his porblem.

I'd get " any delay because of those issues covered by contract":mad:
 
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