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We work directly for the building contractor in-house. When we are not doing electric we are helping with the carpentry. The job is ready to go we are just not allowed to proceed. As far as theft we keep the uninstalled wire after each day is over and the neighborhoods do not usual see any theft of installed wire.
 
Sierrasparky said:
What happens is that it makes the EC the last rough finished and
" HOLDING UP THE JOB " in the eyes of the GC..
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if the GC really thinks that, he is dumber than you thought.
 
brantmacga said:
if the GC really thinks that, he is dumber than you thought.
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Oh really you don't think that happens...
Last time I checked he's the paycheck......
I Found out it can cost a lot of money to be right...
 
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abe72487 said:
In my jurisdiction I allow to wire if roof sheathing is in place and in the winter or when raining they install fabric ( Tyvek) over window openings.
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It's always refreshing to hear another inspector who will "compromise" to keep guys working. I do the same thing in my jurisdiction, however, as Peter D states, copper theft is a good reason by itself to secure a house first. I would go a little further though and state that a locked door or window will only keep an honest man out, but why make it easy for the dishonest one?:grin:
 
sguinn said:
It's always refreshing to hear another inspector who will "compromise" to keep guys working. I do the same thing in my jurisdiction, however, as Peter D states, copper theft is a good reason by itself to secure a house first. I would go a little further though and state that a locked door or window will only keep an honest man out, but why make it easy for the dishonest one?:grin:
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As I posted earlier How is it that the BLDG. Dept has jurisdiction over security and theft.
I don't think so. Put a fence around it , Barbed wire too. The inspector has not jurisdiction as to theft.
Hey I don't want my stuff screwed with. It's bad enough that the GC will make changes, move a wall cut a wire after he says it's my turn to rough-in
 
Sierrasparky said:
As I posted earlier How is it that the BLDG. Dept has jurisdiction over security and theft.
I don't think so. Put a fence around it , Barbed wire too. The inspector has not jurisdiction as to theft.
Hey I don't want my stuff screwed with. It's bad enough that the GC will make changes, move a wall cut a wire after he says it's my turn to rough-in
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We don't have jurisdiction over security and theft. (Although sometimes we do have access to a very small secret stash......and please don't tell anyone about this........ of common sense):grin:
 
If the roof is on and the outside walls are up, just how much rain is going to blow through the windows and doors? Enough to ruin the romex? I don't think so. Sounds like another EI on a power trip. :roll:
 
sguinn said:
It's always refreshing to hear another inspector who will "compromise" to keep guys working.
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Just out of curiosity, why do you think a compromise is needed? The NEC recognizes a rough in is subject to some water by their mention of it.

Roger
 
crossman said:
If the roof is on and the outside walls are up, just how much rain is going to blow through the windows and doors? Enough to ruin the romex? I don't think so. Sounds like another EI on a power trip. :roll:
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Can You say BIG :mad:
What a crock.. I'd be on the phone so fast to his superior.
I wish they were that strict here , but in another way.
They let us start placing wires before the framing is complete. I've been trying to get the AHJ to allow for a Pre-wire inspection. This is so we can't be pressured by the GC to start wireing before they are finished framing. Nothing pisses me off when I have nearly completed the rough and the framer starts BLocking and strapping. Hell 16d nails in a strap will go past 2" and into a wire 2+ inches from the surface. In Ca we have a lot of hardware that seems to go in last.:cool:
 
Sierrasparky said:
Can You say BIG :mad:
What a crock.. I'd be on the phone so fast to his superior.
I wish they were that strict here , but in another way.
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In a way that works only to your advantage? :wink:


Sierrasparky said:
They let us start placing wires before the framing is complete. I've been trying to get the AHJ to allow for a Pre-wire inspection. This is so we can't be pressured by the GC to start wireing before they are finished framing. Nothing pisses me off when I have nearly completed the rough and the framer starts BLocking and strapping. Hell 16d nails in a strap will go past 2" and into a wire 2+ inches from the surface. In Ca we have a lot of hardware that seems to go in last.:cool:
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Why not wait until framing is complete to wire the house? Don't let the GC run your company for you. If he wants it done early, he's going to have to pay for repairs to any damages that occur after your rough-in. There are plenty of ways to stop this, you just have to be willing to do it.
 
brantmacga said:
In a way that works only to your advantage? :wink:




Why not wait until framing is complete to wire the house? Don't let the GC run your company for you. If he wants it done early, he's going to have to pay for repairs to any damages that occur after your rough-in. There are plenty of ways to stop this, you just have to be willing to do it.
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It may work that way in Utopia but not here.
 
Sierrasparky said:
It may work that way in Utopia but not here.
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it actually works that way in many places. the only reason its happening is because you let it happen. Next time the guy tries to pressure you, just say "NO".
 
brantmacga said:
it actually works that way in many places. the only reason its happening is because you let it happen. Next time the guy tries to pressure you, just say "NO".
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So what do you do when you get threatining letters from the gc to start work or get lost?
 
Sierrasparky said:
So what do you do when you get threatining letters from the gc to start work or get lost?
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Threatening letters? I'd drop this guy in a second. Sounds like a bush league operation if the guy can't talk to you face-to-face.
 
The inspector allowed us today to put plastic over the windows and to start wiring. Only after our boss(the G.C.) had a talk with him. thanks for the replies.
 
Maybe the inspector is mixing up the NEC and the POCO's rules....In some areas here the utilty will not temp the service until the house is lockable...All windows and doors have to be installed and lockable...even basement windows.....You can rough it in only if the roof is shingled but only get a rough in inspection until its lockable
 
Sierrasparky said:
brantmacga said:
Why not wait until framing is complete to wire the house? Don't let the GC run your company for you. If he wants it done early, he's going to have to pay for repairs to any damages that occur after your rough-in. There are plenty of ways to stop this, you just have to be willing to do it.
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It may work that way in Utopia but not here.
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I must live in Utopia. I don't start wiring (except for the service, because I want to pick where it goes) until the HVAC and plumbing are roughed in.

Wire is more flexible, not to mention fragile, than ducts and pipes. I also don't start low-voltage wiring until I'm done with the power wiring for the same reasons.
 
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