Kitchen circuits

[iwire]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by jwelectric:
Therefore the receptacle that are inside an appliance garage if it is on a counter top and less than 20 inches above it WILL be required to be on the small appliance circuit!

OK seeing as you put it that way it must be true. :roll:

[ September 24, 2005, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]

 

[jwelectric]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by iwire:
[OK seeing as you put it that way it must be true.

 

[iwire]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Mike I am a man that makes my own decisions and I do not care what you where told at NC Electrical Institute.

As far as I am concerned that outlet does not fit 'wall counter space'.

 

[jwelectric]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by iwire:
Mike I am a man that makes my own decisions and I do not care what you where told at NC Electrical Institute.

 

[iwire]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by jwelectric:
Yes you are true it does not count for the required receptacles but due to the fact that it is in the 20 inches of the top of the counter it is required to be a small appliance circuit.

Now your just makin stuff up.

 

[sparky_magoo]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Yes, the receptacles for the AP are less than twenty inches above the counter. I don't see how they could be considered as serving the counter top. They serve the appliances inside a wooden box screwed to the wall.

I was going to run two dedicated circuits to the garage, but my panel is full, so I will have to put both receptacles on one circuit.

BTW is it O.K. if the homeowner plugs in an under cabinet light to illuminate his AP?

 

[jwelectric]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Let?s say for the sake of argument that I was going to do my whole kitchen as shown on the left of this picture.

Could I then get by without any receptacles?

If I did install receptacles could they all be on a 15 amp circuit?

Would they have to comply with 210.52 (B)&(C)?

 

[jwelectric]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Let?s say for the sake of argument that I was going to do my whole kitchen as shown.

Will receptacles be required for this countertop?

Will they be required to be on small appliance circuits?

That sure looks like a lot of countertop hidden with appliance garages.

 

[sparky_magoo]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Great question! This thread is going to rock.

You would still have counter top space that needs to be served by SA ckt.s if the couter is over 12" deep.

[ September 24, 2005, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: sparky_magoo ]

 

[iwire]

Re: Kitchen circuits

There is no wall counter in your picture.

No receptacles required.

No different than if the upper cabinets sat right on the counter pantry style.

90.1 (B) Adequacy. This Code contains provisions that are considered necessary for safety. Compliance therewith and proper maintenance will result in an installation that is essentially free from hazard but not necessarily efficient, convenient, or adequate for good service or future expansion of electrical use.

JMO, Bob.

[ September 24, 2005, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]

 

[sparky_magoo]

Re: Kitchen circuits

I see a white bowl sitting on the counter which appears to be at least twelve inches deep.

 

[iwire]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Mike for the sake of argument if I was to have a kitchen fully filled with appliance garages where would the required outlets go?

Remember the ones in the appliance garages do not count toward the required outlets.

 

[jwelectric]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by iwire:
Mike for the sake of argument if I was to have a kitchen fully filled with appliance garages where would the required outlets go?

Remember the ones in the appliance garages do not count toward the required outlets.

 

[sparky_magoo]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Monuments extending up from the counter.

 

[iwire]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by jwelectric:

Originally posted by iwire:
[qb] I am just trying to do a little stiring.

Cool, I am bored and need a target for my energy.

 

[jwelectric]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Me too so I looked this up. Nothing better to do but sit here and stir,

NORTH DAKOTA STATE ELECTRICAL BOARD
PO BOX 857, BISMARCK ND 58502
www.state.nd.us/electric
701-328-9522
NEWSLETTER NO. 202 SPRING 2002
DONALD OFFERDAHL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR


In reviewing the changes in Article 210.52 at the last inspectors meeting, it was the consensus of the inspectors and presented to the board that receptacles in appliance garages that are used in ND are considered accessible receptacles, therefore, will be counted as one of the receptacles used for the kitchen counter space and needs to be ground fault protected. If you have any questions, please contact your local inspector or this office.

 

[jwelectric]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Maybe I should quit?

 

[George Stolz]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by jwelectric:
Let?s say for the sake of argument that I was going to do my whole kitchen as shown.

Will receptacles be required for this countertop?

[ September 24, 2005, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]

 

[iwire]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Mike ND can, just as MA can, interpret things how they see fit.

MA interpretations have no bearing on any other state but MA, same for ND or any other area.

The NEC is not perfect, consider one single receptacle is all that is required for an island counter surface regardless of size.

Why would you quit?

Bob

 

[George Stolz]

Re: Kitchen circuits

Originally posted by jwelectric:
...receptacles in appliance garages that are used in ND are considered accessible receptacles...

I'll bear this in mind the next house I wire in Nort Dekoota, doncha know.

Funny, I watched Fargo just last night.