KITCHEN COUNTER SPACE RECEPTACLES

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Can we all agree that the extra receptacles would not hurt to have.Yes it cost a few dollars.How much does a firehouse cost ?
There are millions of old kitchens that have maybe 2 outlets total and not even on gfci.This doesn't mean they have a fire hazard.Just saying that if its a new building why can't we add a few.
How many of you do SC and see exstentions or power strips at kitchen ? I sure have.
 
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Hi guys,

If a space meets the definition of a dwelling unit, then the entire space is required to comply with the dwelling unit rules.
210.52 Receptacle Outlets
(A) Wall space 6' rule.
(B) Small appliance circuits
(C) Kitchen counter tops
(D) Bathroom
(E) Outdoor outlets
(F) Laundry area receptacle
(G) Basement and Garages
(H) Hallways

210.70 Lighting Outlets
(A) Dwelling Units

The AHJ will have to decide if it's a dwelling unit or not. If yes, then all dwelling unit rules in the NEC (including GFCI 210.8) would have to be complied with. If it's not, then none of the dwelling unit rule apply.
 
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That darn AHJ gets to have all the fun. :cool:

Thanks for jumping in Mike, and thanks for the place to talk with all these fine people. :cool:

Bob
 
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I think its kinda kool, we have question like this that we cant answer but we dont have to.Just pass the buck to AHJ and he takes the fall if he is wrong
 
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Hello Mike and happy New Year!!!

If you are still monitoring this thread, I would like to present a small challenge to you. You posted a very neutral position (that is smarter than most of us), so I would like to put you on the spot a little ;)

Today you were hired as a building inspector in the position of being the AHJ, and you were posed with this situation and had to make a decision as to whether this is or is not a dwelling. Is it a dwelling or is it not a dwelling? (I will not hold you to the decision, but I am very interested in your thoughts on this subject)
Thanks for you time

Pierre
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
I think its kinda kool, we have question like this that we cant answer but we dont have to.Just pass the buck to AHJ and he takes the fall if he is wrong
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Oh gee, thanks. Like I don't have enough to worry about! :D
 
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Being an inspector can't always be fun.Am curious just what would you do?
If you flunk him he will wanta spend 2 hours arguing.Here the inspector would probably tag it and tell you to take it up with the chief inspector.Very rare that i would do that as i need to have you as a friend if i intend to keep working in your territory.But this involves major dollars because like Mike said if it is a dwelling it is 100%.
I too noticed Mike remained neutral.
 
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I wouldn't call it a dwelling for that very reason. In my opinion, not only do all dwelling unit provisions of this code apply, but also the provisions of the "other codes". More importantly, there is much in the building code that must apply that I could not live with myself if I waived.
 
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Inspectors have about 30 calls a day here.They can't spend an hour with one job. I have set up apointments on rewires that just wouldn't be fare to have an inspector face it without the electrician to exsplain what all was done.1 job took over an hour.With a few corrections he was happy,but it set him back for the day.
Should the electrician want to argue that its not a dwelling i believe the task would be in nec book not the job site
 
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Wow Jim. We are almost never around when the inspector come in. It's nice when we are. This way we can BS for a while and catch up with each other.
"Hey Malcom, haven't seen you for a while. How are the wife and......" :)
 
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SPEEDY thats not what i was saying.If you rewire a huge old house there is much to look at.This one particular job the inspector thanked me for setting up the meeting.He would have been faced with about 3,000 sq ft of attic and crawl space and needing to gain access into 3 occupied apartments that were locked.
And i do consider some as friends.
Where possible i do like to be on the job when they arrive.It makes both of our jobs go smoother.
Often there are things like building the service,running cable ,phone to do on the ruff.Then again some sparkies are afraid of confrontations

[ January 11, 2004, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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I recall seeing an illustration with the counter top recepticles mounted with the ground up. I can't find anything to this effect in the nec is this a code requirement and if so where is it located?
 
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I recall seeing an illustration with the counter top recepticles mounted with the ground up. I can't find anything to this effect in the nec is this a code requirement and if so where is it located?
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orintation of the ground is not a NEC requirment, unless 110.3 (B) is applicable.
 
Al Ewaldt said:
I recall seeing an illustration with the counter top recepticles mounted with the ground up. I can't find anything to this effect in the nec is this a code requirement and if so where is it located?
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Take a look at the FAQ's section this subject has been discussed before.

Chris
 
Adding a new question to a three year old topic does not serve the purpose of this forum. If you have (what you think to be) a new question, then start a new thread.

I am closing this (very old) thread, to prevent any further discussion of the "new" topic.
 
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