Kitchen Small Appliance Circuits...

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iwire said:
Why has this post grown to 59 posts? :-? :roll: :grin:
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this ain't got nothing on the all time doozy switch outlet, or the more recent tape over wire-nuts or the receptacle over bath tub threads :grin: :D

but can you answer this,... it might be related as to why threads grow:smile:


oh wah, oh wah, oh wah, oh wah, oh wah, oh wah

Why do fools fall in love?
why do birds sing so gay?
And lovers await the break of day
Why do they fall in love?
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iwire said:
Why has this post grown to 59 posts? :-? :roll: :grin:

Here was the question



The answer is no.

The home owner can switch every outlet in the home from the master bedroom if they wanted to.
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...and it is up to HO what gets plugged in. I certainly won't know from my house if it is 50 watts of lighting or 2 1500 watt coffee pots.
 
ptonsparky said:
...and it is up to HO what gets plugged in. I certainly won't know from my house if it is 50 watts of lighting or 2 1500 watt coffee pots.
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I believe some CMP members agree as we had a long draw out thread about using the SABC to plug in under cabinet lights and eventually it was determined to be fine. :smile:
 
Confused

Confused

I know the commentary in the handbook is not enforceable 2005 - 210.70 page 95 ' a recp is not permitted to be switched on SABC, but a sw outlet recp can be added to the dining room. Also, 'a wall sw controlled outlet is req'd for kitch and bath. a recp outlet controlled by a wall sw is not permitted in these rooms"

difference in overhead and under cabinet light?
 
billsnuff said:
I know the commentary in the handbook is not enforceable 2005 - 210.70 page 95 ' a recp is not permitted to be switched on SABC, but a sw outlet recp can be added to the dining room. Also, 'a wall sw controlled outlet is req'd for kitch and bath. a recp outlet controlled by a wall sw is not permitted in these rooms"

difference in overhead and under cabinet light?
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I would say that as long as this receptacle outlet is in addition to a lighting outlet it is not being switched as a lighting outlet it is being disconnected for safety reasons .

Plugging in a toaster does not make this a toasting outlet nor does plugging in a blender make it a blending outlet , plugging in a luminaire does not make it a lighting outlet. The luminaire is an appliance it is not part of the premises wiring it is connected to a receptcle outlet the last point on the premises wiring system it cannot ,..therefore be a lighting outlet.

If we are not employing the exception to having a lighting outlet then a switched receptacle is not serving as such .
 
billsnuff said:
I know the commentary in the handbook is not enforceable 2005 - 210.70 page 95 ' a recp is not permitted to be switched on SABC, but a sw outlet recp can be added to the dining room.
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Where does the NEC say that I can not switch one or all of the SABC receptacle(s)?
 
iwire

iwire

i seem to have left out a word bottom of page 95 2005 handbook commentary 210.70 under exception one "A receptacle is not permitted to be switched as a LIGHTING outlet on a SABC"
 
billsnuff said:
i seem to have left out a word bottom of page 95 2005 handbook commentary 210.70 under exception one "A receptacle is not permitted to be switched as a LIGHTING outlet on a SABC"
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Nobody said it was gong to be a lighting outlet, a lighting outlet may or maynot have a receptacle but in this case it is a countertop outlet not a lighting outlet, just because someone plugs a light into it doesn't mean it is a light outlet or designed as such. So in this case it is a switched countertop/ backsplash outlet and totally leagal now if you hardwired a light to it, it would become a lighting outlet and therefore a violation.
 
doesn't it say in the code, no lighting on sabc what so ever. so the transformer that came with the undercab lights, plugged into a sabc outlet, be condsidered a violation because it is part of the undercab lights?
 
MD got me straight in #64, but thank you for your comments bikeindy. Somehow my brain took words from the OP and my brain went to lights (maybe out, in this case)..........now I understand.

It's a good day, I learned something.

iwire, guess your next???????? let the beating begin :grin: :D
 
billsnuff said:
MD got me straight in #64, but thank you for your comments bikeindy. Somehow my brain took words from the OP and my brain went to lights (maybe out, in this case)..........now I understand.

It's a good day, I learned something.

iwire, guess your next???????? let the beating begin :grin: :D
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I didnt want to even give an example of why I wanted to switch the SA receptacle...
 
stickboy1375 said:
I didnt want to even give an example of why I wanted to switch the SA receptacle...
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You know better than that sticky-- next time don't mention the dang light.:grin:
 
Half switch the outlet

Half switch the outlet

Do you like apples?? How do you like them apples?? As long as the gfci protection is upstream you could half switch a reg recepticle and everyone could be happy.
 
cloudymacleod said:
doesn't it say in the code, no lighting on sabc what so ever. so the transformer that came with the undercab lights, plugged into a sabc outlet, be condsidered a violation because it is part of the undercab lights?
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no No NO.
 
Originally Posted by cloudymacleod
doesn't it say in the code, no lighting on sabc what so ever. so the transformer that came with the undercab lights, plugged into a sabc outlet, be condsidered a violation because it is part of the undercab lights?
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The code does not say what you cn or cannot plug into the sabc. Do you mean to tell me I cannot plug a radio into my kitchen receptacles??? or a lamp if I want to?
 
And so....

And so....

I'm going into my kitchen now to make margaritas with the blender and plug in my lights and rub salt into my eyes and cry.

Frizbeedog out!
 
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