in my opinion its pretty safe. at the time it wasnt rated for insulation being thrown around it so the conductors couldnt cool and the insulation of the individual conductors would fall offchevyx92 said:
chevyx92 said:
im sure the reason why insurance companies dont allow it is because its such an old wiring method and it had a bad name given to it because of all the illegal modifications people do to it. plus people usually insulate there homes now a days and that causes problems with the knob and tube76nemo said:
Think of all the factors possible. Fact is the NEC does not allow it anymore unless it is an extension of an existing circuit! Obviously this method has flaws that can't continue in this day and age.electricalperson said:
but theres also houses probably over 100 years old to this day that still has the original electrical system installed and still have not burned up in smoke. that right there prooves its a safe system. it becomes an unsafe system when people start to mess with it and do things to the house that 100 years ago people wouldnt even think of doing.chevyx92 said:
chevyx92 said:
And if you read this whole thread I wouldn't have to chew my cabbage twice here. Theory: Time and temp change detiorates the cloth fabric on the K+T wiring, thus leaving an exposed live conductor exposed to a variety of ignitable materials(insulation) which through proven time and statistics have shown it being unsafe from the many fires and deaths that have occured. How or why you want to argue this is baffeling.76nemo said:
chevyx92 said:
Are you serious???????????????????? Someone can go put in a 100 flying splices in a house and not have a problem. SAFE????????????? Not according to the NEC.electricalperson said:
Like I said before lack of experience in this method. When you have detioration of insulation and the heat now disappating on the the insulation in the attic it will cause fires. Lessoned learned.76nemo said:
electricalperson said:
You must have a regional insurance company issue that fears the stuff unneccesarily - as locally 100% of dwellings in SF were once wired in it - SF being the "City of Light" promoting the electrification of buildings at an Exposition in 1876 and after the quake of 1906 most all homes that were standing at the time converted from GAS lighting to electric light... Since SF is a finite area - only a few areas were left undeveloped until the 60's... And since NM was shunned clear until the Late 60's here by local inspectors and the union - K&T was installed in dwellings clear up till then. So - I can say I have seen my share as as it stands now well over 60% of housing stock still has some in use, and roughly 20% is still 100% K&T.... Some buildings it is actually preserved due to the materials built around them that would be hard or too expensive to replicate - often in my line of work/market, it is best to keep +/or re-utilize it. And I often do... And not as a cost savings to the customer - or any less safely - but out of historic preservation of the rest, or parts of the building.chevyx92 said:
if you walk into a house that still has the original electrical system still in place and not one circuit is loaded above capacity and the house was not insulated and nothing was added on or touched show me one unsafe thing about it. even check the old NEC as a reference.chevyx92 said:
I wrote this a while back on the 02 cycle - but there is little change in any code stated.... (Also a few local codes in there too.)chevyx92 said:
chevyx92 said:
How about keeping up on the topic at hand. Go BACK that means pages backwards and read my #22 post. So your answer has been given AGAIN. Please keep up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!76nemo said:
