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yesterlectric

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I saw in 2023 they had to add a rule that panelboards can not be installed face up because apparently someone did that at a laundromat. There’s no rule against installing them face down though….. We can’t make enough NEC rules to stop stupid.
 
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If you turn the picture right side up, and, picture it in the side of a hill instead of the ground it gets much more tolerable. :)

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norcal

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480V submersible pump, on the top of the well they installed a 30A 600V NEMA type 1 GE safety switch, this would also be in my opinion a residential install supplies a double wide mfg home, and a AG shop which is where the 480 came from, there is a MIL unit attached to the shop & that was the only place I ever have seen 277V lighting in a residence, gone now. Everyone gets to see strange things, some worse then others.
 
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yesterlectric said:
I saw in 2023 they had to add a rule that panelboards can not be installed face up because apparently someone did that at a laundromat. There’s no rule against installing them face down though….. We can’t make enough NEC rules to stop stupid.
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The face up rule was in 2020 and 2023 added a face down rule.
408.43 Panelboard Orientation.
Panelboards shall not be installed in the face-up or face-down position.
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yesterlectric

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Imagine telling a customer “hey we can install that panel board suspended with threaded rod face down from the ceiling if you hire me before my state adopts the 2023 NEC!”
 
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letgomywago

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Working space has nothing to do with fuses or other types of OCPD. I require 110.26(A) for all disconnects as those are very likely to have the voltage checked while they are energized.
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WA state has an amendment that disconnects without fuses or breakers doesn't need to comply with 110.26. They treat it like a single pole switch. So there are some places that view this as an important factor. I think that 3r isn't enough for a bellow grade install like that without a structure.
 
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letgomywago said:
WA state has an amendment that disconnects without fuses or breakers doesn't need to comply with 110.26. They treat it like a single pole switch. So there are some places that view this as an important factor. I think that 3r isn't enough for a bellow grade install like that without a structure.
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CMP 11 addressed that issue for AC disconnects in the 2023 code.
440.14 Location.
Disconnecting means shall be located within sight from, and readily accessible from, the air-conditioning or refrigerating equipment. The disconnecting means shall be permitted to be installed on or within the air-conditioning or refrigerating equipment. Disconnecting means shall meet the working space requirements of 110.26(A). ...
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