Low Volt or Wireless?

euclid43

Senior Member
I am the electrician on a job where the framer has (5) 2x6's together for a door jam. The problem is that there is no room for a switch box (i.e. the window is 9 inches from the door). Would you install a low volt contactor without box and run low gauge wire to relay below floor into basement, or install wireless? Or would you hack it up with a router and knock plates?
 

texie

Senior Member
Location
Fort Collins, Colorado
Occupation
Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
I am the electrician on a job where the framer has (5) 2x6's together for a door jam. The problem is that there is no room for a switch box (i.e. the window is 9 inches from the door). Would you install a low volt contactor without box and run low gauge wire to relay below floor into basement, or install wireless? Or would you hack it up with a router and knock plates?
Easy. Just use a Lutron PICO kit and remote mount the switch where it is convienent. You'll also gets other benifits and not very expensive or labor intensive.
 

euclid43

Senior Member
I will check into the Lutron stuff, but I try to visualize problems before they occur and hate to imagine having this Lutron system fail and resort to putting a conventional switch system in later. It would be a disaster and reflex poorly on me.
 

texie

Senior Member
Location
Fort Collins, Colorado
Occupation
Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
I will check into the Lutron stuff, but I try to visualize problems before they occur and hate to imagine having this Lutron system fail and resort to putting a conventional switch system in later. It would be a disaster and reflex poorly on me.
I feel the same way about the reliability issues. This is rock solid. I've done many. And the added benifits are a real plus. You can do it with dimmer or switch and you won't even need a box for the PICO remote-just room for a switch plate.
 

euclid43

Senior Member
Furthermore, it is used for an outside light; so installing a Lutron Pico would involve installing a "master" where there is power, and the wireless switch used in the "limited" area, correct?
 

texie

Senior Member
Location
Fort Collins, Colorado
Occupation
Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
Furthermore, it is used for an outside light; so installing a Lutron Pico would involve installing a "master" where there is power, and the wireless switch used in the "limited" area, correct?
Yes, the "master" is just a 1 gang device that looks like a Decora device which you can put at convienent place-maybe even a place where it can be used. You just wire it like a regular switch-line and load (some models require a neutral, but that should not be a problem) Don't remember the published range, but 100 feet or so is no problem in most situations. The PICO remote uses a "button" battery and last forever. The PICO remote when installed will look like a regular Decora device.
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
If the framing members are all necessary to carry something, you will weaken them by hacking out a box.

A little surface metal raceway if absolutely necessary would work. Or come up with some creative way to conceal cable behind a decorative molding. Switch may be most convenient next to the door but I would also consider some alternate location - no code that says it must be by the door.
 

texie

Senior Member
Location
Fort Collins, Colorado
Occupation
Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
If the framing members are all necessary to carry something, you will weaken them by hacking out a box.

A little surface metal raceway if absolutely necessary would work. Or come up with some creative way to conceal cable behind a decorative molding. Switch may be most convenient next to the door but I would also consider some alternate location - no code that says it must be by the door.
One of the beauties of the PICO solution is you don't even need a box-needs no hacking to the framing.
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
But if they are not necessary or not called out as detail on the prints, I would have no worries about carefully removing enough wood to fit a 1900 box.

I have seen a lot of custom homes with a lot of wasted lumber.
Understood - I only mentioned it because some guys just like to start hacking without thinking about why there are all those studs there in the first place. If there is a big beam sitting right on top of them they are likely there for good reason.
 

texie

Senior Member
Location
Fort Collins, Colorado
Occupation
Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
I've used wireless remote switches from illumra on more than a few occasions. They look & work like Decora devices and can be installed anywhere. Added benefit, no batteries to change ever. (unlike the Pico which has a button cell)
Illumra:
http://www.illumra.com/Products/Wireless_Light_Switches/E3T-S1AWH_Single_Rocker.html
Now that you mention this, I just remembered Leviton makes a similar self powered product. http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/SectionDisplay.jsp?section=38837&minisite=10251
 
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