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electrofelon said:
A lockout is a few bucks - no "special breaker" required, and then it doesn't have to be within sight.
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Lock-Out-Tag-Out devices are not acceptable, they can be removed, leaving occupants with no means to lock.

You might put a lock on the fuse box door.

There is also an exception, referencing 422.34 for Unit switches with an "Off" position. Stop/Reset doesn't count.
 
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electrofelon said:
A lockout is a few bucks - no "special breaker" required, and then it doesn't have to be within sight.
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ramsy said:
Lock-Out-Tag-Out devices are not acceptable, they can be removed, leaving occupants with no means to lock.

You might put a lock on the fuse box door.
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I believe that Ethan was referring to a 110.25 breaker locking device, not a temporary lock out tag out device.
 
ramsy said:
Santa Ana, CA senior planner, and Education Chair for Orange Empire Division IAEI, provides the mandatory continuing-education units for several municipal-inspection departments. He is one of the best, and cities send their inspectors from all over the Los Angles basin.

http://www.iaei.org/web/orangeempire
As of 4/16/18 the education notes for NEC Art. 422 are still published on home page.

The monthly meetings are attended by ~50 people, combination inspectors, contractors, Utility, NRTL, & OSHA reps. I've been an attending member for ~10 years.
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Thanks being involved.
I don't see this on the link you provided.

Can you post the direct link.
 
No other link. IAEI meetings are open to the public.
Orange Empire includes a buffet lunch - $25 Non Members
 
ramsy said:
No other link. IAEI meetings are open to the public.
Orange Empire includes a buffet lunch - $25 Non Members
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You say the info is on the home page.

As of 4/16/18 the education notes for NEC Art. 422 are still published on home page.

I don't see it. Where is it , can you provide some more info, a screenshot?
 
ramsy said:
Disconnect must be within sight, regardless of wattage. Better fix all your residential-kitchen misdeeds.



Microwave under 300 VA ?
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A change I wasn't aware of - prior to 2017 NEC no lockable breaker was required if under 1/8 hp or 300 VA. If lockable breaker is required it must comply with 110.25 - basically the lock device must be able to remain attached to the breaker even when lock is not in use.

After reading 422.31 over a few times I honestly don't know why they didn't combine (A) and (B). After the change they made to (A) in 2017, there is no longer difference for requirements in those two sections. Or can someone point out what is different that I am missing?

As mentioned most current production breakers out there have such devices available for them and is only a few dollars.

ADD: looked a little more and looks like they might have as well eliminated (C) while at it. All three sections now require lockable breaker if not within sight of the appliance regardless of HP or VA.
 
ramsy said:
Come down off your high mountain, and attend.

The "April 2018' minutes are not published yet for Art. 422, but previous months minutes are there if you want a summary.
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No time to attend such stuff.
Way too far also.
 
kwired said:
..After reading 422.31 over a few times I honestly don't know why they didn't combine (A) and (B). After the change they made to (A) in 2017, there is no longer difference for requirements in those two sections. ..
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The Combination inspectors in the room wish all sections were identical, so they might get it. Many people in the room appear to have no clue about this code, much less a clue about mechanical issues, such as condensation that makes conduit a wet location.

Who can master the frequent changes, the cross referenced proprietary-code standards, proper testing bodies, authorities, or OEM listing requirements. Its too complex.

Sierra Sparky belly aches about attending the Continuing Education Units (CEU) provided at his local IAEI meetings or elsewhere, because its not mandated for Licensed-Electrical contractors in our State, but we both know without it reasonable people can't be expected to master 900+ pages of this code, much less depend on a journeymen who's getting laid off next week.
 
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ramsy said:
The Combination inspectors in the room wish all sections were identical, so they might get it. Many people in the room appear to have no clue about this code, much less a clue about mechanical issues, such as condensation that makes conduit a wet location.

Who can master the frequent changes, the cross referenced proprietary-code standards, proper testing bodies, authorities, or OEM listing requirements. Its too complex.

Sierra Sparky belly aches about attending the Continuing Education Units (CEU) provided at his local IAEI meetings or elsewhere, because its not mandated for Licensed-Electrical contractors in our State, but we both know without it reasonable people can't be expected to master 900+ pages of this code, much less depend on a journeymen who's getting laid off next week.
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Oh so you are a Mavin or have personal knowledge as to how much CEU I have. I usually get about 30 hours per year of non-required CEU. I took 3 classes on code updates recently.
Some where online, however I bet you don't think that Qualifies.

Besides do you want to go down this road. You don't have a current journeyman's card according to the DIR website nor do you have a Contractors license. You did have a JC but you let it lapse.
 
electrofelon said:
:? lowes doesn't stock it, better abandon that whole strategy. Sorry customers, nothing three phase anymore, lowes doesnt have it..... ;)
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Would you agree the cord & plug microwave disconnect is less trouble than hardwired, since you don't need to carry around lock kits in your truck(s).
 
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