NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
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lady sparks lover
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Originally posted by bennie:
Lady: I say that with deep respect. You are unique and deserve credit for your accomplishments. I am humbled by your achievements.
Good luck for a continued career.
Bennie
P.S. I like Smoky Robinson and Johnnie Cash
lady sparks lover
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Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
Originally posted by Ed MacLaren:
Hello all,
I'm now retired from my job as Apprenticeship Program Instructor at the local Community College in beautiful Prince Edward Island, Canada's smallest province.
Work history and background here-
http://www.electric-ed.com/Instructor.htm
Below, I'm "keeping my hand in" by helping a friend who is building a new house.
Ed
[ October 08, 2003, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: lady sparks lover ]
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Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
ctroyp,
I would guess that it is under the cover on the bottom part of the panel. The Canadian electrical code does not permit exposed line side terminals. Maybe something that should be in the NEC.
Don
[ October 08, 2003, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: don_resqcapt19 ]
ctroyp,
I would guess that it is under the cover on the bottom part of the panel. The Canadian electrical code does not permit exposed line side terminals. Maybe something that should be in the NEC.
Don
[ October 08, 2003, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: don_resqcapt19 ]
Ed MacLaren
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Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
Thanks for the kind words, Lady. I must admit that I wasn't trying to make money on this one.
Don is correct, the supply comes in the bottom behind the cover. This is a sub-panel (sorry Bennie) supplied underground from the main in the guy's workshop, which is closer to the utility pole line.
Ed
Thanks for the kind words, Lady. I must admit that I wasn't trying to make money on this one.
Don is correct, the supply comes in the bottom behind the cover. This is a sub-panel (sorry Bennie) supplied underground from the main in the guy's workshop, which is closer to the utility pole line.
Ed
Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
I was once helping another electrician on another job where he was terminating some 250 feeds inside a live switchgear (nursing home.) The buses were exposed and hot and he was pulling the neutral up to the top behind the "hot" bus bars to terminate on the neutral bar. I expressed my concerns about the obvious safety hazard but he was adamant on doing so. The problem is, he did not have any safety equipment (gloves, blanket, etc.) I threatened to walk off the job but he said he would terminate them when I left.
Due to the space limitations he could only get one hand in to pull the neutral up to the top. And, just as I feared he touched the back of the bus bar with his knuckle and was grounded to the gear case near his elbow. He immediately came off of it with only minor blisters on his opposite hand.
After all this I reported this incident to the president of the company. This happened about 9 years ago and last I heard this guy is still an electrician.
Ed:
Are you required in Canada to install breakers or false breakers (spacers) if you do not use all of the slots? I am not referring to breaker blanks that snap into the panel cover, but something to cover the exposed breaker slots when the cover/dead front is removed. It seems as it would be required if you are required to cover the main lugs.
Maybe it should.
I was once helping another electrician on another job where he was terminating some 250 feeds inside a live switchgear (nursing home.) The buses were exposed and hot and he was pulling the neutral up to the top behind the "hot" bus bars to terminate on the neutral bar.
I expressed my concerns about the obvious safety hazard but he was adamant on doing so. The problem is, he did not have any safety equipment (gloves, blanket, etc.) I threatened to walk off the job but he said he would terminate them when I left. Due to the space limitations he could only get one hand in to pull the neutral up to the top. And, just as I feared he touched the back of the bus bar with his knuckle and was grounded to the gear case near his elbow. He immediately came off of it with only minor blisters on his opposite hand.
After all this I reported this incident to the president of the company. This happened about 9 years ago and last I heard this guy is still an electrician.
Ed:
Are you required in Canada to install breakers or false breakers (spacers) if you do not use all of the slots? I am not referring to breaker blanks that snap into the panel cover, but something to cover the exposed breaker slots when the cover/dead front is removed. It seems as it would be required if you are required to cover the main lugs.
Ed MacLaren
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Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
ctroyp,
No, we do not have to cover the exposed breaker slots when the cover/dead front is removed. The breaker buss is overcurrent protected by the main breaker.
The main lugs are covered in "service" panels because they often have no overcurrent protection except the transformer primary fuse.
Your post reminded me of a time, back in the sixties, when I was pulling feeder runs back into a live 120/208 volt splitter trough, the kind with four bare buss-bars running the full length of the trough.
The electrical room was quite small, we didn't have a fish reel, and my helper was trying to coil up the 100 ft fish, and keep it under control as I pulled.
Well you can probably guess the rest. The "springy" fish got away from him and just about filled the room.
Everybody ducked, and after the smoke cleared, our only 100 ft fish was in about six pieces.
Ed
ctroyp,
No, we do not have to cover the exposed breaker slots when the cover/dead front is removed. The breaker buss is overcurrent protected by the main breaker.
The main lugs are covered in "service" panels because they often have no overcurrent protection except the transformer primary fuse.
Your post reminded me of a time, back in the sixties, when I was pulling feeder runs back into a live 120/208 volt splitter trough, the kind with four bare buss-bars running the full length of the trough.
The electrical room was quite small, we didn't have a fish reel, and my helper was trying to coil up the 100 ft fish, and keep it under control as I pulled.
Well you can probably guess the rest. The "springy" fish got away from him and just about filled the room.
Everybody ducked, and after the smoke cleared, our only 100 ft fish was in about six pieces.
Ed
frenchelectrican
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Ed; i have a quick question about the sq d box i was looking at it and i can't find it in my master catalog book and i wondering if that box have diffrent number for canada only ?? if so can you post the number here and i will try to concat the manufacter see if they can do something like add on cover for it, i see allready too many average diy did some damage to the boxes when they try to put the wire inside of it and i am not too keen what the diy done it. and we have to undo it grrrrr it was kinda messy sometime.
merci , marc
Ed; i have a quick question about the sq d box i was looking at it and i can't find it in my master catalog book and i wondering if that box have diffrent number for canada only ?? if so can you post the number here and i will try to concat the manufacter see if they can do something like add on cover for it, i see allready too many average diy did some damage to the boxes when they try to put the wire inside of it and i am not too keen what the diy done it. and we have to undo it grrrrr it was kinda messy sometime.
merci , marc
Ed MacLaren
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Marc,
Here is a link to Square D's (Canada) on-line catalog, and a "clip" from it.
http://www.schneider-electric.ca/www/ecat/index.html
Ed
Marc,
Here is a link to Square D's (Canada) on-line catalog, and a "clip" from it.
http://www.schneider-electric.ca/www/ecat/index.html
Ed
Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
Matt, if that is an unfinished basement with that much headroom I am truly impressed.
I have a full blown wood shop in mine and it's not even close to the area Ed's in. I guess I should say I'm jealous if it is a basement.
Roger
Matt, if that is an unfinished basement with that much headroom I am truly impressed.
I have a full blown wood shop in mine and it's not even close to the area Ed's in. I guess I should say I'm jealous if it is a basement.
Roger
Ed MacLaren
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Yes, the service is in an unfinished residential basement utility room. You can see the gas water heater on the right. The gas furnace, water well pump tank, washer and dryer are in there also.
The utility room receptacles are not required to be GFCI protected here.
The receptacles that are required to be GFCI protected, in residences, are those installed outdoors, less than 8' above grade, in bathrooms within 10' of a basin, tub, or shower stall, and receptacles for "hydromassage" tubs.
Ed
[ October 13, 2003, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: Ed MacLaren ]
Yes, the service is in an unfinished residential basement utility room. You can see the gas water heater on the right. The gas furnace, water well pump tank, washer and dryer are in there also.
The utility room receptacles are not required to be GFCI protected here.
The receptacles that are required to be GFCI protected, in residences, are those installed outdoors, less than 8' above grade, in bathrooms within 10' of a basin, tub, or shower stall, and receptacles for "hydromassage" tubs.
Ed
[ October 13, 2003, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: Ed MacLaren ]
ryan_618
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Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
I find it interesting that kitchen counter tops need not be protected.
Ed MacLaren
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Ed
That is rumored to be coming in the 2006 code.
Ed
frenchelectrican
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ed;
merci beaucoup!! thanks you very much !!
at least now i can get ahold of them see what they can do with it.
the link is very good site. [ i read in both engish and french and nice site ]
i wondering what the nec code will plan to use this verison for in usa ?? i belive it is alot more safer way to install it .
there is a time that i can submit the code change ?? if so i will like to add this verison to next code cycle so we have more choice to use the safer boxes
merci , marc
ed;
merci beaucoup!! thanks you very much !!
at least now i can get ahold of them see what they can do with it.
the link is very good site. [ i read in both engish and french and nice site ]
i wondering what the nec code will plan to use this verison for in usa ?? i belive it is alot more safer way to install it .
there is a time that i can submit the code change ?? if so i will like to add this verison to next code cycle so we have more choice to use the safer boxes
merci , marc
charlie
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Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
Marc, it is way too late to make proposals for the 2005 edition of the NEC. Wait a while for the 2005 to come out and then submit a proposal for the 2008 edition.
Marc, it is way too late to make proposals for the 2005 edition of the NEC. Wait a while for the 2005 to come out and then submit a proposal for the 2008 edition.
frenchelectrican
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Re: NEC Poster's!! Can I see what you look like too?
ok charie thanks for pointing out and iwill wait for next verison do that and many thanks again
merci , marc
ok charie thanks for pointing out and iwill wait for next verison do that and many thanks again
merci , marc
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