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I worked with a "master electrician" today, and he did not understand the concept of a 120/240 v. circuit. he knew it needed 2 hots, 1 neut., but did not understand why you need to have the ungrounded conductors on opposite phases. I understand why, but is there an article to better explain it to him?
 
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He wasn't a "master electrician" or even a 2 year apprentice.

This isn't in the code, this is basic theory.

Roger
 
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So you guys know everything about electricity? I bow to the gods. :roll: :roll:
 
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Yes Scott it's as Jim says, it's about claiming to be something he is not. But if you feel the need or desire to bow, then by all means, do it.
:roll: back at ya.

Roger
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
Isn't about being god.It is about someone claiming to be a master and has no idea at all about basic electric.
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Almost like someone claiming to be licensed when they are not. :roll:
 
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I don't understand your attitude.I am not claiming to be current with my card, i let it lap for reasons that are none of your buisness.But i have proof in my wallet that i was recently licensed as a master.Since i am not contracting at this time there is no reason for me to keep it active.What it proves is i have the knowledge required or i would never have passed.Are you suggesting that if your journeymans card exspires then your just a helper?
 
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Yes, that is exactly how it is in this state.

If you where on the job without a licensed guy at the job supervising you the inspector would toss you out, no if ends or buts allowed.

I saw this happen just recently.
 
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I don't throw people off of the job like Bob's inspector. I call the department of professional licensing and have the state investagtor cite and fine them.
 
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Well I'm in no danger of that here.I spoke with the chief electrical inspector here and he insured me that my exspired masters meets with his approval to be equal or better than a current journeyman.In his opinion i need to do nothing.Since it's his call i will listen to him.Your state may be differant.I would not question ones ability on the value of a piece of paper being out dated or from another state.Would your knowledge of wiring vanish should you move to another state? Yes if the license is a requirement then you would retest.Here we do no permitting except under a masters.Since i am not contracting or pulling permits ,i don't need to do anything.
He also told me that it's rare that they even ask to see a license.But they do require at least 1 journeyman on the job.And thats smart.If he had told me to retest then i would.

[ January 15, 2004, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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Basic as it may be, sometimes things come up that you have never really given any thought or you simply forget things over time. You guys that are so quick to jump on someone should look in the mirror sometime and realize that you too are not perfect and do not know it all. :roll: I know a guy who took his license test nine times and then gave up. Booksmart he was not but he could outwire alot of you people here.
Ryan are the any legal issues if you knowingly leave an unlicensed worker on a job should problems arise?
Jim why even bother with licensing and inspectors where you are? Political hacks collecting a paycheck on taxpayers backs? What a waste. :mad:

[ January 15, 2004, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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What about someone claiming to be a "Chief electrical inspector" that lets expired licenses suffice. Maybe he could find a book at the library on basic inspecting. He is not an inspector, not even close. Don't let him inspect anything. Oh great now I am answering my own posts.
 
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I would never support not having inspections.Have been in states that don't and the quality is poor.Our licensing is different than up north.Mostly we do it to have a fall person with insurance should a problem turn up.Not uncommon at all to see 200 men shops here under 1 masters who is responsible for overseeing all the work.No it doesn't happen.
All we are saying is that even 2 year helpers would know about a sinewave.And there is no way this guy forgot how it works.Kinda like riding a bike!!!!

[ January 15, 2004, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Ryan are the any legal issues if you knowingly leave an unlicensed worker on a job should problems arise?
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Yeah Scott, in my state there actually are. The legal requirement is actually a part of my license. I am required by law to report any such incident that I am aware of.
 
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Ryan, I wish that our state was like that. And I had a talk with some inspectors about this recently.
Our state is a joke when it comes to some issues.
Oue Electrical board can't do anything about an unlicensed person doing work other than turn them into the attorey general's office and they will not even do that without a written complaint. Then the attorney general's office says that it will take them 1 year to assign the complaint to an investigator.
 
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Our state guys are great to work with. They give the inspector's their cell phone numbers and are typically to the site within a couple of hours. :eek:

When they get to the cite, a criminal class "A" misdemeanor is issued, as well as a $400-$10,000 fine. On the second offense the fine is more stringent. On the third offense the fine is in the thousands and jail time is discussed.

I'm with you Todd...licensure is a great thing, and enforcement of licensing is essential.
 
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Jim I will tell you how it works around here. I live in MA but this happened while I was working in RI about 2 months ago.

I call for a ceiling inspection, inspector comes out and while talking to me sees another contractor working on wires, he asks me if who it is.

I say that is "Something Security Co".

He walks right over and asks for his license, and the man says it has expired, without hesitation the inspector tells him to pack his tools and leave the site.

His company got a $150 fine, all this guy was doing was rough wiring a bugler alarm.

You say this is not fair, your right working with an expired license is not fair to the rest of us who find a way to keep our licenses current.

Right now I maintain 3 journeyman's licenses and while the company I work for reimburses me for two of them it is my responsibility to keep them current.

Keeping with driving analogy you used in the court thread, can you operate a car on expired plates or expired drivers license?
 
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