Pole Lights Calculation

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mivey

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The problem is you did not give any clue as how to proceed when the pole light KVA exactly divides the transformer KVA. Use of constant power light sources in such cases necessitate increasing the rating of the transformer. Anticipating this I proposed 80% loading.
If my calculations came out to the exact transformer kVA then I would be fine with it as I already have enough margins built into my loading calculations. A constant power light would not justify the 80% multiplier as it is not a 20% impact.

Anticipated the constant power light? Yeah, right. You said nothing about a constant load until Winnie mentioned the 200-277 volt Intellivolt ballast. Not really applicable for our 400 volt scenario anyway. We use 480 volt on highway lighting with long runs.

Given better data, I would prefer to put more thought into the pieces rather than just stamping a percentage that may not be appropriate on the whole package. I sure wouldn't knock off an extra 20% at the end just because I heard somewhere that some folks like to use 80% for other purposes.

The whole point is what Dennis pointed out in post #2:
You can load a transformer 100%
Make the appropriate load adjustments and apply that to the transformer rating. Don't apply an 80% growth factor number just because it sounds like it fits. Even if the percentages come out the same, the reasons for using the 80% growth factor is wrong.

The 85% adverse condition factor is not a substitute for looking at the load either. That is for something completely different.

The contingency arose due to lack of data from the OP. That the OP has not mentioned whether he is going to use constant power light sources or not is one such contingency.
The OP will have to include that as part of his load calculation. I used fixtures that I typically see so his mileage may vary. As I stated, if he can provide better detail I can provide a better answer.

Take allowance for primary voltage hike, losses in switch, fuse/breaker, change in air density due to height, ambient temperature etc
Still complete nonsense.
Please put with relevant figures then.
Voltage hike: Buy a transformer rated for the system voltage.

Losses in switch/fuse/breaker: Fractional. Included as part of line loss.

Changes in air density due to height: Buy a transformer rated for the elevation. Qatar's highest point is around 300 ft so most any off-the-shelf transformer will do.

Ambient temperature: Since most can handle 30C averages and 40C peaks, and since lights will be on at night when it is cooler, and since we can buy an 80C rise transformer with 220C insulation if required, an off-the shelf unit will probably do. Extra cooling options are available if needed. Shading rather than de-rating to keep out of direct sunlight if it is that hot. We can always buy a specialty transformer appropriate for ambients beyond what we can normally handle if needed.

I again repeat that you yourself better use such percentage in your estimation when there is a lack of data to do accurate calculation.
I do, and I did use appropriate percentages. It was not a detailed calculation. The question sounded more like someone was wanting some preliminary information. As they provide more info we provide more detailed answers.

But do not confuse with 85% factor mentioned in the BSNL's guidelines and elsewhere which is for adverse conditions the transformer likely to operate under to be taken into account even for exact calculations.
If I thought there were adverse conditions that were relevant, I would make the necessary adjustments. Seeing none, I choose to fully utilize the transformer for the loads we have.
 
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Sahib

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To sum up:

I also agree with Dennis:

You can load a transformer 100%

provided he is able to take all loads into account so that the transformer is not overloaded.

The magician mivey claims that he is able to do it without adding any cushion to the transformer capacity.

I as a practical Engineer suggest to add some cushion say 15% to the transformer capacity.

At least two Engineering manuals support my point of view.

But the magician mivey has not produced any documentary evidence to support his claim that no cushion is required except his mumbo jumbo.

I leave it to the posterity to choose which way to go.
 

Sahib

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So here you go with the personal insults. I never said you were a pig, I said arguing with you is like mudwrestling with a pig.
I never say you are a pig either. I said about the general characteristic of pigs. Come back to the technical field and say something technical. This is just a request.
 
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