Residential Wiring Practices

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mdshunk said:
Okay, I used to think you were just plain wacky. Now, I see where your perspective is from. Make work.
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Union or non we all have the same inspectors if that is what they wont we have to give it to him.or her by the way the guy had to fix the house on his own time....
 
mdshunk said:
Okay, I used to think you were just plain wacky. Now, I see where your perspective is from. Make work.
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I don't think this is the place for that topic.
 
splinetto said:
Marc if you came here to work you would have to do it the same way I do. You might not like it but you would have to comply..
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Based on what? Even our own NECA-121 draft ballot manual permits running type NM cable on a diagonal. Check it out, brother.
 
splinetto said:
I have never heard of that ...Is it online to read..
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Maybe in a couple weeks. It's out getting blessed by ANSI at the moment. It will probably be a 30 dollar pay thing, like most of them are. The draft was circulating a couple months ago. You might snag that someplace.
 
I aske this ? b4 and no one answered ....If you wired a house in Chicago would you wire it in romex ....eventhough pipe its not required in the NEC for houses it would not fly ... I dont know maybe there is a ordinance up there that requires it in pipe or however they do it..
 
splinetto said:
I aske this ? b4 and no one answered ....If you wired a house in Chicago would you wire it in romex ....eventhough pipe its not required in the NEC for houses it would not fly ... I dont know maybe there is a ordinance up there that requires it in pipe or however they do it..
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Are you seriously asking if you have to observe local codes also? :-?

A local code is a far cry from an arbitrary workmanship standard that has not been duly voted into enforcable text.
 
mdshunk said:
Are you seriously asking if you have to observe local codes also? :-?

A local code is a far cry from an arbitrary workmanship standard that has not been duly voted into enforcable text.
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I dont understand your point..Maybe im slow
 
Many jurisdictions amend the NEC when they adopt it. Some amend it so much, they have to print their own versions.

The NEC, in and of itself, is powerless, until the local jurisdiction, city, state, township, etc. adopts it as its law.

edit to add: 90.4
 
Also read the last paragraph on page 1, notably the first sentence of it:

This Code is purely advisory as far as NFPA is concerned. It is made available for a wide variety of both public and private uses in the interest of life and property protection. These include both use in law and for regulatory purposes, and use in private self-regulation and standardization activities as insurance underwriting, building and facilities construction and management, and product testing and certification.
 
I am amazed that this is a topic and that I am answering it. I run diagonal all over the place to save wire, why because I am the one who buys it. I see no way that it can be looked at as poor workmanship. after all roads run NW NE SW and SE don't they? they save you time and gas ever heard of the shortest line between two points. why do you want to make a run longer than it needs to be in a wall that is closed. I really never need to deal with twists since all our wire comes off 1000' spools. Marc I am with you man.
 
480sparky said:
Also read the last paragraph on page 1, notably the first sentence of it:

This Code is purely advisory as far as NFPA is concerned. It is made available for a wide variety of both public and private uses in the interest of life and property protection. These include both use in law and for regulatory purposes, and use in private self-regulation and standardization activities as insurance underwriting, building and facilities construction and management, and product testing and certification.
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Thanks 480! I couldn't find that. It's not in the handbook. (I keep handbook at home, and codebook in work truck)
 
Hey Marc, I'm with you a 100% (and I'm union!). Contracting is based on intelligent approach to work, and reputation. I do lots of things in the field based on the electrical needs. Typical example - I try to never bundle and tywrap wires in a residential panel, reason being is it allows for less hot spots on the wire, and is faster, also helps to prevent from having sharp 90 bends on the wires to avoid hot spots.

Electrons don't care, they'll flow where ever you direct them.

Edit - Contracting is based on intelligent approach to work, commonly known as a good bid, can be cheapest, but not neccesarily true.
 
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splinetto said:
Union or non we all have the same inspectors if that is what they wont we have to give it to him.or her by the way the guy had to fix the house on his own time....
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First off i never back down to an inspector without a valid code number
Second,fixing anything off the clock is illegal.Should you get hurt while working free just what happens ?think this out
 
JohnJ0906 said:
Thanks 480! I couldn't find that. It's not in the handbook. (I keep handbook at home, and codebook in work truck)
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That's the beauty of the CD version!

Jim W in Tampa said:
First off i never back down to an inspector without a valid code number
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I find it amazing how may just do it because the inspector said so. I, too, (respectfully) ask for a Code reference. I don't ask they quote if off the top of their head, but at least ask they look it up when they get a chance.
"When you get back to the office, have a cup of coffee and look it up. Or, if you like, I have both the print version and the electronic version on my laptop... they're both in the truck."
 
come to TN

come to TN

480sparky said:
I have both the print version and the electronic version on my laptop... they're both in the truck."
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could you come to my area of rual TN and work for a while :). I've asked, and I think 1 out of 10 electricans I see on a given day own a code book and less than that carry one, at least a current copy.
the standard procedure here is to wire it like I always have or like my cousin taught me. If I get a red tag, I will change methods to adapt until the next red tag.
sad sometimes
commercial job today...parallel feeders, EGC only in one conduit, conduit fill 24 #12s, 20 amp circuits--but they did pull the neutrals in a seperate conduit to avoid conduit over-fill, no disconnects on refrigeration equipment, no gfci's in kitchen, etc. and this is the 4th one of these KFC's they have wired...
 
emahler said:
that, i gotta call you on...can you cite a reputable source?
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Hmmm....

Is it your view you can force some one to work 'off the clock' as a condition of employment?

Not happening where I am, that would be a quick call to the DOL.

I often voluntarily work beyond my paid hours but no employer can force me to work for free as a condition of keeping my job.

I think that stopped in the US back with in Henry Ford's time.:D
 
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