Residential Wiring Practices

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You wanted some sources?

How about the FED DOL?

Fact Sheet #22: Hours Worked Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)


The Act requires that employees must receive at least the minimum wage and may not be employed for more than 40 hours in a week without receiving at least one and one-half times their regular rates of pay for the overtime hours.
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Employees "Suffered or Permitted" to work: Work not requested but suffered or permitted to be performed is work time that must be paid for by the employer. For example, an employee may voluntarily continue to work at the end of the shift to finish an assigned task or to correct errors. The reason is immaterial. The hours are work time and are compensable.
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Travel That is All in the Day's Work: Time spent by an employee in travel as part of his/her principal activity, such as travel from job site to job site during the workday, is work time and must be counted as hours worked.
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So as far as I can see you could 'cut' the persons pay down to the minimum wage and then tell them to go back to work and fix their mistake.

Of course I don't know many electricians that would work for the minimum wage.
 
bob,

it goes back to a moral and ethical call....not a legal/illegal one.

there are ways to do it legally..

it was the word "illegal' that set the bells off...
 
emahler said:
bob,

it goes back to a moral and ethical call....not a legal/illegal one.

there are ways to do it legally..

it was the word "illegal' that set the bells off...
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I agree. Your employer may not be able to force you to fix a major screw-up off the clock, but it may be expected. Also if you start spouting off about "you can't force me to work off the clock" they may all-of-a-sudden be downsizing your department that day.
 
The other thing to remember is that someone has to pay for fixing that screwup...and it ain't gonna be me.

So, what does the owner do? if you are hourly, you can bet that your hourly rate is not equal to the hourly labor rate figured into any job.

ie - go back to the ballasts

I figure labor of $10/ballast. I figure 5 ballasts an hour. Piecework would earn the median guy $50/hr.

But with hourly, I might only offer $25 or $30. This way I have a cushion so that if the install screws it up and has to go fix it...even if I'm paying him on the clock, it's money he would have made on piecework.

Does that make sense.
 
cross country wiring went out a long time ago around here
i will do it when h beams are used but on 2bys its 90deg
so much safer from screws
 
donselectric said:
so much safer from screws
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How so? Keep your cables back 1-1/4", no matter where they're at, and they shouldn't get hit with a screw. Matter of fact, I can count on one finger the amount of times I've had a cable get hit with a screw.
 
mdshunk said:
Matter of fact, I can count on one finger the amount of times I've had a cable get hit with a screw.
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Never done a log home then, huh? Those guys run around with 16- and 20-inch srews in their pouches! Yes, sixteen and twenty inch screws.
 
480sparky said:
Never done a log home then, huh? Those guys run around with 16- and 20-inch srews in their pouches! Yes, sixteen and twenty inch screws.
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Yeah, but how many diagonal wires are you going to run in a log home? :rolleyes:
 
cloudymacleod said:
bottom line is, bee lining and going where the crows flys is pure hackmanship,in my mind.
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So using more wire, adding costs and adding to circuit length for concealed wiring just because it pleases you is a benefit to the person paying the bill how?
 
So does everyone who runs NM in stud walls plumb, square and horizontal only do the same in the attic? When you come up from the switch, do you run it across the rafters straight out, until it's inline with the ceiling fan and then over? How about underground as well? Is that all square with the street and house?
 
"Journeyman electricians shall correct defective workmanship on their own time during regular working hours."

Simply put, when this rule is (rarely needed to be) enforced, the electrician first re-do's the work, is paid for the hours needed for the re-do, the hours spent messing up are deducted, and the layoff check is already in the foreman's hand before the whole process begins.
 
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line. If it is a traffic area (ie. attics, crawl spaces) it is re-routed or protected. Whether it's up and down or through the walls horizontally depends on drilling time (windows, doors, perliners, etc.).
 
mdshunk said:
I defy you to show me any licensed electrician who's ever gotten a 110.12 red tag. They're oft talked about on forum sites, but I've yet to learn of anyone who's ever gotten one, save for a DIY.
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I have. I'll dig up the rant I had if you want. :D
 
George,


I've never seen a 110.12 written. I do have a friend who used to write about 10 violations down, then on the bottom of the failed inspection report, put Contact a Qualified Contractor!

Yes he still does inspections, and has been all the way to the halls of Congress, over electrical issues, but never wrote a 110.12.

Would be a kick to actually see one!
 
I really hate it when guys turn simple rough wires into an art project. I keep my wires pretty clean but some of you clearly have no understanding of profit margins. Or maybe your customers dont mind paying "perfect" wiring. I totally agree with Marc if its exposed its a different story but concelled? come on. I think some guys have been "hummping" romex so long that they need to find new ways to keep it interesting. There is a fine line between good workmanship and ocd.
 
cloudymacleod said:
bottom line is, bee lining and going where the crows flys is pure hackmanship,in my mind.
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At least someone agrees with me I was begining to wonder.....You other guys would explode if you knew how many staples I use ....
 
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