romex touching dryer vent pipe

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stickboy1375 said:
This is exactly why every house should be wired in rigid conduit, and encased in 4" of concrete.
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Hey that's an excellent idea! I think I'll start doing that from here on out. It might take 10 times as long and cost 4 times as much but hey who cares as long as it prevents the ductman from touching my wires with his duct. And also it will keep the plumber from burning my wires when he's sweating joints. :)
 
wbalsam1 said:
Which way did you mean this: ?
  1. Most inspectors have made a mistake now and then. They are human.
  2. Most inspectors have made a mistake. Now and then they are human.
:D:D
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I have known hundreds of inspectors and sometimes I wonder what planet they came from, but most are human all the time.:smile:
 
steelersman said:
It's obvious from the OP that the inspector had an issue with the multiple NM cables simply touching the dryer vent duct, not with the cables being stretched out or stressed. He is plain and simply wrong. Accept it and move on or provide the code article. :)
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Are you new to the forum? :roll:




You should also slow down and read the OP again. The OP mentions that the plumber pushed the cable up out of his way. My experience with that has been the plumber does not care about the cable and may damage the cable in the process.

Since neither you or I can tell what actually happened, while we are typeing on this site, it is very possible that the inspector was concerned about the installation.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Are you new to the forum? :roll:
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that has nothing to do with reading and comprehending the scenario.




Pierre C Belarge said:
You should also slow down and read the OP again.
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I've re-read it a few times.




Pierre C Belarge said:
The OP mentions that the plumber pushed the cable up out of his way. My experience with that has been the plumber does not care about the cable and may damage the cable in the process.

Since neither you or I can tell what actually happened, while we are typeing on this site, it is very possible that the inspector was concerned about the installation.
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dryer vent pipe is only 4 inches in diameter. There's enough slack in NM cable to fit the pipe above it or below it (as mentioned in the OP some are below it) without damaging the cable.

Besides this isn't what the inspector is griping about or else the OP would've mentioned that as the reason. If you SLOW DOWN and re-read the OP you'll notice that the inspector says that you can't have NM touching the vent pipe, not that he needs to replace or repair damaged NM cable.
 
steelersman said:
that has nothing to do with reading and comprehending the scenario.






I've re-read it a few times.







dryer vent pipe is only 4 inches in diameter. There's enough slack in NM cable to fit the pipe above it or below it (as mentioned in the OP some are below it) without damaging the cable.

Besides this isn't what the inspector is griping about or else the OP would've mentioned that as the reason. If you SLOW DOWN and re-read the OP you'll notice that the inspector says that you can't have NM touching the vent pipe, not that he needs to replace or repair damaged NM cable.
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Now how do you know that? Maybe you have seen the jobsite????


You must be new to the site to assume that.


As I have mentioned, a poster does not always provide all of the info, that is why judgement calls are too hard to make here on the site.
 
steelersman said:
How's that a poor installation practice? Sounds like all in favor of keeping the romex off the duct are most likely commercial guys who upon taking a stab in the dark would imagine that it's a good idea to keep romex off the duct and probably a code.
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It is more like a master electrician who has a very ROUNDED electrical education in both commercial AND residential due to my father owning a company and I started in the trade at the age of 12 ( I will be 49 in 2 weeks).
It sounds more like a resi electrician who doesnt understand that the slightest knick in the nm insulation will energize any conductive material (like a metalic dryer vent ) that it comes in contact with.
Why are we installing arcfault breakers? To protect the conductors from hack installers that dont understand this concept. Creating extra cost to everyone because they cannot be trusted to wire a house in nm without burning it down.
 
quogueelectric said:
It is more like a master electrician who has a very ROUNDED electrical education in both commercial AND residential due to my father owning a company and I started in the trade at the age of 12 ( I will be 49 in 2 weeks).
It sounds more like a resi electrician who doesnt understand that the slightest knick in the nm insulation will energize any conductive material (like a metalic dryer vent ) that it comes in contact with.
Why are we installing arcfault breakers? To protect the conductors from hack installers that dont understand this concept. Creating extra cost to everyone because they cannot be trusted to wire a house in nm without burning it down.
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stick to commercial.
 
quogueelectric said:
It is more like a master electrician who has a very ROUNDED electrical education in both commercial AND residential due to my father owning a company and I started in the trade at the age of 12 ( I will be 49 in 2 weeks).
It sounds more like a resi electrician who doesnt understand that the slightest knick in the nm insulation will energize any conductive material (like a metalic dryer vent ) that it comes in contact with.
Why are we installing arcfault breakers? To protect the conductors from hack installers that dont understand this concept. Creating extra cost to everyone because they cannot be trusted to wire a house in nm without burning it down.
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If my memory of your avatar serves me correctly, you're the guy who argued to the death and wouldn't admit being wrong about GFCI's needing a ground in order to work. So do me a favor and don't talk down to me while making yourself out to be some genius just because you startd electrical work at the ripe age of 12. Oh but you're a master electrician and well rounded. Maybe I am too. :)
 
deckscrew said:
Didn't pass a final inspection. The unimproved basement had romex running through (across)the joist bays. The plumber ran the dryer vent pipe in one joist bay to the outside. He pushed the romex up on top of the dryer vent or under the dryer vent depending on the location. The inspector said the romex could not tough the dryer vent pipe. Is this a code violation?

Thanks
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My concern is that deckscrew used the word unimproved ,.as in not included in the scope of work for which he was hired.. I would not be happy that my unrelated work was failed due to this circumstance.. If the inspector feels there is an eminent threat to life there are, in most if not all cases,. steps he can take as an official.
These steps do not include failing my code compliant work.
I would like to think that the plumbing inspector would fail the plumber for his actions. Then he or the H.O. can hire me to move the wires and I would be happy to do it.
 
I never expected this topic to be so active. When I said unimproved, I meant the crawl space under the house. There were some existing cables and some new cables. None of the cables were stressed or pulled to make room for the ductwork. All the cables were in fine shape. Sometimes you have to do what the inspector says to get the job finaled. No matter if he is right or wrong. I usually just do what they want, if it is minor. As a GC, I'm always interested in what might be a code violations, imagined or otherwise, so I don't get into the same situation again

We were going to put blocking in the bay, but just wrapped the ductwork on plastic foam. Now everybody's happy and I don't have to worry about the cable touching metal duct.
 
quogueelectric said:
It is more like a master electrician who has a very ROUNDED electrical education in both commercial AND residential due to my father owning a company and I started in the trade at the age of 12 ( I will be 49 in 2 weeks).
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Have you ever considered moving to India? They worship cows in India.
 
steelersman said:
If my memory of your avatar serves me correctly, you're the guy who argued to the death and wouldn't admit being wrong about GFCI's needing a ground in order to work. So do me a favor and don't talk down to me while making yourself out to be some genius just because you startd electrical work at the ripe age of 12. Oh but you're a master electrician and well rounded. Maybe I am too. :)
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For the second time in this post you are making assumptions on things that you did not see. You have not responded about the arcfault breakers making houses safe because there are sooo many hack installers out there. Do the world a favor and Stick to resi and buy a staple gun.
 
quogueelectric said:
Why are we installing arcfault breakers? To protect the conductors from hack installers that dont understand this concept. Creating extra cost to everyone because they cannot be trusted to wire a house in nm without burning it down.
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Sounds like you've been bought off by an AFCI manufacturer. ;)
 
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