Service upgrade cost?

[stickboy1375]

At least it was a connector. I've seen pictures of such upgrades where they just brought them all through one of those plastic snap-in knockout bushings.

Why do you feel one is better than the other? I highly doubt that connector setscrews are tightened...

 

[mdshunk]

Why do you feel one is better than the other? I highly doubt that connector setscrews are tightened...

At least the connector stands a chance of closing up more of the unused opening. Keeps mice, and in this case lizards, out of the panel. I think there is some UL or NEMA standard I read once upon a time that says that connectors have to prohibit the entry of a 1/4" rod, or some such thing.

 

[stickboy1375]

At least the connector stands a chance of closing up more of the unused opening. Keeps mice, and in this case lizards, out of the panel. I think there is some UL or NEMA standard I read once upon a time that says that connectors have to prohibit the entry of a 1/4" rod, or some such thing.

With the amount of wires coming through I wouldn't worry to much...:grin:

 

[peter d]

I'm sure, look how easy that makes the job...

Yup, one hole, slam the cables in, done. I guess if I lived in AZ and had to mount panels outside all day long, I'd do the same thing. :roll:

 

[stickboy1375]

Yup, one hole, slam the cables in, done. I guess if I lived in AZ and had to mount panels outside all day long, I'd do the same thing. :roll:

Mounting them outside must be just as bad as installing one in an attic... wonder if the breakers pay the price being in the heat all day...

 

[220/221]

It is a plastic snap in bushing.

It has been standard practice here since forever. Before plastic they used chase nipples.

It's not like the wires are going to get yanked out.


It does scare the crap out of me when a lizzard jumps out. It happens all the time in exterior light fixtures also.

wonder if the breakers pay the price being in the heat all day...

Surprisingly there are not any real issues caused by the heat alone. The heat combined with an overloaded poorly connected AC breaker does some damage though.

 

[emahler]

Mounting them outside must be just as bad as installing one in an attic... wonder if the breakers pay the price being in the heat all day...

nah...they import all their breakers from Mexico...they like the heat

 

[ishium 80439]

The "all-in-one" is common practice here in CO also as is bringing all of the NM's through a single 2" KO. When doing new work I at least try to make 2 2" holes to lessen the burden so to speak. It took me awhile to adjust to this method but when in Rome...

And to the OP I would say a 200A overhead ~$1900-$2400 in the Denver metro area is a fair average. (at least I hope it is:smile: )

 

[~Shado~]

The "all-in-one" is common practice here in CO also as is bringing all of the NM's through a single 2" KO.

And to the OP I would say a 200A overhead ~$1900-$2400 in the Denver metro area is a fair average. (at least I hope it is:smile: )

I agree .... still haven't decided if I really like the 'all in one' yet....at least the ones I have used. Haven't seen the full size units like 220/221 used.
Your price seems on track too....$9-$13 an amp.

 

[satcom]

I agree .... still haven't decided if I really like the 'all in one' yet....at least the ones I have used. Haven't seen the full size units like 220/221 used.
Your price seems on track too....$9-$13 an amp.

In this area $9 to $13 an amp was 20 years ago, I an sure with cost of living and inflation, it must be up there by now.

 

[220/221]

$9 to $13 an amp

Another good reason NOT to install a 125 amp service. :wink:

It's certainly not any less work.

 

[stickboy1375]

It is a plastic snap in bushing.

It has been standard practice here since forever. Before plastic they used chase nipples.

It's not like the wires are going to get yanked out.

I'm nut sure if I understand how common practice makes this install legal? It's one thing to create a violation without knowing, but to deliberitely ignore the code is another matter.

Makes me wonder what OTHER common practices you follow...

 

[220/221]

I'm nut sure if I understand how common practice makes this install legal?

You don't need to understand, just accept it. You don't need to wonder about my work. Everythings gonna be fine.

If you are saying you feel my work is unacceptable to you, I can understand that and I can appreciate your point of view.

 

[satcom]

I'm nut sure if I understand how common practice makes this install legal? It's one thing to create a violation without knowing, but to deliberitely ignore the code is another matter.

Makes me wonder what OTHER common practices you follow...

How do you see the violation, if they have the cable secured, before entering the chase, then where is the violation?

These panels are ideal to use where you have a home on a slab, your in the northeast, so this is not a common installation to you.

 

[peter d]

You don't need to understand, just accept it.

What's there to understand? I accept that your regional practice allows NEC violations. Around here, we can hardwire dishwashers without a disconnect and inspectors allow it. It's still not right.

You don't need to wonder about my work. Everythings gonna be fine.

You don't need to get so defensive. You posted your pictures on the internet and opened them up to our scrutiny. If you thought no one was going to comment or wonder about them, then you're clearly in the wrong place.

 

[220/221]

You don't need to get so defensive

Wow....you thought I was being defensive? I don't even know how to reply to that one. I thought I was beeing a pussycat.

People can scutinize all they want. That is one of the purposes. Another purpose is to learn how and why things are done in other geographical locations.

 

[keesha]

Another purpose is to learn how and why things are done in other geographical locations.---

Now that I enjoy. I don't have a problem with the single 2" opening, comeing out of the block wall like that.
Now down a stud bay (recesed or surface mount) now thats another issue.

I like the all in 1, I don't get many chances to use it here. We like to put everything in a different location, so we can spend all day on a simple project,and buy more crap than we should need.


###It's one thing to create a violation without knowing, but to deliberitely ignore the code is another matter. ###

Not at all. Ignorance is no defence. Penalty may be different, thats all.

SATCOM- Is'nt NJ the Northeast too?

 

[peter d]

Another good reason NOT to install a 125 amp service. :wink:

It's certainly not any less work.

Here's another regional difference. We still install and replace 100 amp services all the time here. There's no need for a 200 amp service on a 1000 sq ft house with a gas stove and gas heat.

 

[stickboy1375]

How do you see the violation, if they have the cable secured, before entering the chase, then where is the violation?

These panels are ideal to use where you have a home on a slab, your in the northeast, so this is not a common installation to you.

The cables need to be secured to the cabinet, take a look at 312.5 (C)....The installation shown does NOT meet the exceptions listed...

 

[220/221]

Disclaimer:

Sometimes intent is difficult to express in the written form. I am all scared of sounding defensive and feel the need to preface my next question with some sort of explanation but I can't seem to come up with anything so you will just have to trust that I mean no disrespect and and not trying to provoke an arguement here.

By replying you are agreeing to above disclaimer and will not hold me liable for a sudden rise in blood pressure or any other side effectes.

Now down a stud bay (recesed or surface mount) now thats another issue.

How/why? In my mind there could only be issues if the cabling was exposed and someone/thing could yank on it. I am not debating code, just practical application.

The cables need to be secured to the cabinet, take a look at 312.5 (C)....

(Read disclaimer)

Could I "secure" them with caulk or foam?