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growler said:
That's a legitimate business expense. Just put the company name on the boat and it's advertising.

Or you can say that you are checking out some work down at the docks and you need to get a better perspective ( easier to see from the water ).

It's the company picnic and no one else showed up ( to bad they didn't know about it ).

Better yet, buy a commercial fishing license and write the whole trip off as a loss.

or catch fish and sell for a profit:D
 
I routinely take customers and employees out on my boat for a day of fishing. I also take them to my cabin for a weekend of hunting. I have them and the family over for a BBQ. Doesn't everyone?:cool:
 
Terrynistler said:
I routinely take customers and employees out on my boat for a day of fishing. I also take them to my cabin for a weekend of hunting. I have them and the family over for a BBQ. Doesn't everyone?:cool:
NO! ;)

When I'm at home with the family, the last thing that crosses my mind is how much I'd like to go fishing with a certain customer. I value a nap on the couch way more than a Bar-B-Que with a customer. :cool:
 
emahler said:
man, you got ripped...i could have gotten you a peach cobbler for 1/2 that price....:D

No doubt...but would it have been cooked completely AND with the confec. sugar on top

LMAO:smile:

No moonlighting bakers please :grin:
 
In 1989 we were billing out at $65/hr/man and those pies exact cost $4.99

In 2007, guys still bill out at $65/hr/man (we don't:D) and those are $10

i don't get it...
 
emahler said:
In 1989 we were billing out at $65/hr/man and those pies exact cost $4.99

In 2007, guys still bill out at $65/hr/man (we don't:D) and those are $10

i don't get it...

Try billing out at some higher rate and see what happens. Many people will only pay a generic price for generic work, but are often willing to pay a premium for premium work. If you want to bill out at a higher rate, you have to offer more to the guy footing the bill.
 
petersonra said:
Try billing out at some higher rate and see what happens. Many people will only pay a generic price for generic work, but are often willing to pay a premium for premium work. If you want to bill out at a higher rate, you have to offer more to the guy footing the bill.

I agree, that's why our billable rate is over $225/hr for residential,...
 
emahler said:
In 1989 we were billing out at $65/hr/man and those pies exact cost $4.99

In 2007, guys still bill out at $65/hr/man (we don't:D) and those are $10

i don't get it...

Very true ...

Back in the 80's, guys were "selling" services for $8 per amp.
I talked to a fellow EC recently about the price of a 200A service ~ $1875 ...
I said really? You're hired!
He was like "WTF?? What do YOU charge?"
Me, $2500 and that's for an EASY one ....like the one you're gonna do you for me :D Thank you very much for the $700.

Even at $2500, it's still pretty cheap ....and the cost of pies is ever increasing :cool:
 
petersonra said:
Can't say I ever had that happen to me.

Just for the sake of argument suppose it did happen. Just how would one know that the individual in question was not legit? Are you pledging never to buy something at a second hand store, a pawn shop, a flea market or eBay just because there is some chance it might not be completely on the up and up??

I will not, haven't and Won't buy anything from a pawn shop they are the worst kind of crooks in my book. You know that there are only 3 kinds of things at a pawn shop.

1. The stolen things (probably the most common)
2. The things pawned by the poor sap who can't figure out how to make ends meet or is too irresponsible to make ends meet. (I don't want to be thriving from his misfortune even if it is self inflicted)
3. Pure JUNK.
 
JohnConnolly said:
I think I am starting to go over to the dark side.
It's not so dark when you can pay the electric bill and take a nice sun-filled vacation :D
 
celtic said:
Isn't it still 60A?

That panel and the 1 under it is, the 1 beside it with the backfed qo240 is tapped off the line side of the main though, so I think its now a 100A service, unless we are still calling it a 60 just because the service cable was not upgraded at and time.
 
TomDx said:
-40 Circuit Square-D panel (I didn't ask about the breakers, I just assume they will be the same type the other EC quoted me for.)
Tom

square D makes 2 style panels. The original quote was for the top of the line priced panel. This 1 does not specify type.
 
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Here in New Mexico (yes we are in the US) a load center with Mast and meter base and permits I quote at $2100 installed with generator on site keeping the refrig and cordless phones active during cut over.

Though permits just went up i don't have the new prices yet but a load center and meter was $35 and $35.
 
1. Insist that you pay after the final inspection has passed. You may never see him again if the inspection fails and you've already paid.
2. Get his city license number and check with your city's building office to see his open and closed permits to see if he follows through with his work and if he has done this type of work before. It is all public record viewable by anyone.
3. Go with the 200 amp service because it is due diligence. Do it right the first time. You never know what might come up in the future.
4. The price sounds very reasonable to me if he is going to pulls a new service himself. Where I live, the electric company will upgrade the service feeders for free when you upgrade your house service. You may check on this.
 
Hi Jeff,
Basically in new jersey the gfi is a requirement at the service panel required by 95% of municipalities. permits vary from city to city, I've had a range of 190.00 for a 200a service to 100.00 for a 200a service. The other problem with new jersey is the inspectors arrival time most towns will give you a 4 hour am or pm, some towns just tell you the day which could be an entire 8 hours. Someone has to be on site for that 4 or eight hours, as far as trusting the customer that's entirely up to the contractor, I'm sure down in Texas, you must be licensed, insured and bonded just like electrical contractors in new jersey, or did I get that one wrong? If you had to put a lein on a site for payment, it would take between 6 to 12 months to get it all sorted out. Just imagine haveing one of those a month for a year, would kind of put a little damper on payroll and profit. but all in all the going rates for that size of service ranges between 3000.00 and 3500.00. just about through the entire state. I install 3 to 5 residential services a week, between 100 to 200 amps the 200's are the service, with 2 100 amp subpanels. by the way in the pse&g service area you must use their meter pans which at time could add 3 to 4 more man hours to the job just going to one of their facilites to get the meter pan. as far as the over kill on the phone, I believe I seen fiber optics mentioned there somewhere.

AGA ELECTRIC
Jersey City, N.J.


Jeff Weissman Electric said:
1) 200 amps
2) why isn't permits included in the cost? get it quoted!
3) never pay money down! Pay in full immediately upon completion only!
If he can't trust you to pay upon completion & How can you trust him not to take your money.
4)Did you specifically ask for the GFI receptacle, Surge protection, tele relocation? Not that any of that is bad but.... is it required or needed
5) dedicated circuit for telephone? Overkill for residential, necessary for commercial. What tele equipment in a 60amp fused house do you have that plugs in?
6) Otherwise, Price is reasonable
7) have his Insurance company send you a copy of his GL Policy
 
anthony5712 said:
Hi Jeff,
Basically in new jersey the gfi is a requirement at the service panel required by 95% of municipalities.

I thought NJ followed the UCC and the NEC with the amendments?

You're saying that 5% of the municipalities are not following what the State has mandated ....what municipalities might these be?
 
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