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steelersman said:
You are wrong also.
If you actually bother to look at the entire presentation you will see that it does turn into a series circuit by opening the neutral. So maybe you should go back and look again! :)
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And maybe you should read my post again.
As drawn in the presentation, it is just the neutral to ground link that is removed. That does not change the arrangement into a series circuit.
It is still shown as a 120-0-120. It's only when you remove the supply neutral that it turns into a series circuit.
Is that a more lucid explanation?
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Besoeker said:
And maybe you should read my post again.
As drawn in the presentation, it is just the neutral to ground link that is removed. That does not change the arrangement into a series circuit.
It is still shown as a 120-0-120. It's only when you remove the supply neutral that it turns into a series circuit.
Is that a more lucid explanation?
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man you are strange. Have you ever taken any classes?
 
Besoeker said:
Although it says that in the PPT presentation, it isn't shown as a series circuit.
For it to become a series circuit, the supply neutral would have to be disconnected.
Normally, there should be current flowing in the neutral to ground connection so opening it would have no effect on the distribution of voltages round the circuit.
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so you think the PPT presentation is incorrect? You don't think the circuits are in series once the ground/neutral connection is removed? You don't think the two devices will have different voltage drops accross them? You think that Ohm's law isn't true or correct? What are you actually saying then? Maybe you should be a little more clear then and say what you mean instead of the opposite. :)
 
iwire said:
Agree or disagree but either way keep it respectful.
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What is your opinion of the facts Bob? Is the PPT presentation correct or incorrect? Is the circuit now a series circuit once the ground/neutral is removed? It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. there is only one correct answer and I'm trying to get him to understand it.
 
steelersman said:
What is your opinion of the facts Bob?
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I have not been following the thread at all.

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. there is only one correct answer and I'm trying to get him to understand it.
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Thats great, but try to find a way to do it without calling him strange, or questioning his education just because he does not see it how you see it. :smile:
 
iwire said:
I have not been following the thread at all.



Thats great, but try to find a way to do it without calling him strange, or questioning his education just because he does not see it how you see it. :smile:
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fair enough.
 
steelersman said:
so you think the PPT presentation is incorrect? You don't think the circuits are in series once the ground/neutral connection is removed?
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As shown, the neutral isn't removed.
Just the ground.
 
Besoeker said:
As shown, the neutral isn't removed.
Just the ground.
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the ground symbol is used as the neutral. It also uses W where it should use the symbol for ohms so you could say that it's just another misprint but the logic is still there and correct.
 
steelersman said:
the ground symbol is used as the neutral. It also uses W where it should use the symbol for ohms so you could say that it's just another misprint but the logic is still there and correct.
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The ohms symbol shows up just fine for me.
And ground isn't the same as neutral.
seriescircuit2.jpg
 
Besoeker said:
The ohms symbol shows up just fine for me.
And ground isn't the same as neutral.
seriescircuit2.jpg
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I see that you were able to correct it for the ohms symbol and the neutral with a line pointing to it. Lol. Awesome! The neutral has no connection in this pic. It is open. Now they are in series. Now the current stays the same for both. Now the voltage changes for both. Now the power changes for both. Bye. :)
 
steelersman said:
I see that you were able to correct it for the ohms symbol and the neutral with a line pointing to it. Lol. Awesome!
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Well, thank you but I didn't change or correct the Ohms symbol. It just appeared that way. I copied the circuit exactly as it appeared in the PPT slide.
steelersman said:
The neutral has no connection in this pic. It is open.
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The neutral isn't open, though. It goes back to the supply. That's the point.
Both loads have a neutral path back to the supply so they are not in series.
QED.
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Besoeker said:
The neutral isn't open, though. It goes back to the supply. That's the point.
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I looked at the power point presentation.

I agree with steelersman, the neutral has been opened, and in the image you posted it is OPEN.

Watch the presentation from the start and you can see the neutral ran all the way to the 'Dot' that the ground is connected to.

The round black 'dots' are the supply in this circuit, the neutral has been removed from that black dot so it is open.
 
iwire said:
I looked at the power point presentation.

I agree with steelersman, the neutral has been opened, and in the image you posted it is OPEN.

Watch the presentation from the start and you can see the neutral ran all the way to the 'Dot' that the ground is connected to.

The round black 'dots' are the supply in this circuit, the neutral has been removed from that black dot so it is open.
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Thanks Bob. Finally someone else chimes in to back up the facts! For that I might change my avatar just for you. :)
 
iwire said:
I looked at the power point presentation.

I agree with steelersman, the neutral has been opened, and in the image you posted it is OPEN.
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The diagram shows that the ground connection has been opened.
iwire said:
Watch the presentation from the start and you can see the neutral ran all the way to the 'Dot' that the ground is connected to.
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And then it stops short of the dot but is still connected to both loads.
 
Besoeker said:
The diagram shows that the ground connection has been opened.
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No, I see the ground still connected to the source neutral, but I see the load neutral removed from the source.

I firmly believe you are looking at it wrong.

More importantly when that section of conductor disappears the author of the presentation spelled out on the screen the neutral has been opened.

At this point I have to think your just messing with us.
 
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