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  • I have both AFCI breakers and TR receptacles.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I have AFCI but not TR.

    Votes: 22 19.1%

  • I have TR but not AFCI.

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • I have neither AFCI nor TR.

    Votes: 91 79.1%
  • Total voters
    115
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growler said:
Good excuse but as an electrician it wouldn't be that hard to change over to a breaker panel. We do it all the time. :grin:
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if it aint broke don't fix it,IMO fuses are better than breakers just not as convienient.
 
Rewire said:
if it aint broke don't fix it,IMO fuses are better than breakers just not as convienient.
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Right you are, that's what I told an old lady not long ago.
She is over 80 and a fuse blew when they painted the house ( compressor). How many more times is she going to get the house painted? The wiring looks good and she only had to replace two fuses in the last 20 years so why spend money she doesn't have on changes.
 
My home is 90+ years old and I used multi-wire branch circuits wherever I could 25+ years ago.

When breakers fail I may consider replacing with AFCI where possible, but I am certainly not in a big hurry. TR devices the same way.

That makes the houses the most likely to benifit(?) from AFCIs, the least likely to get them.
 
remodeled my house in 2000, added 2 floors up (was a 1 story), no arc faults, no trs (plenty of gfi's), not planning on doing any more remodeling, not gonna install arc faults in forseeable future (no kids, no reason):confused:
 
growler said:
I understand that but if you really though it was an important safety concern I'm sure you wouldn't wait for a law that tells you that you have to do it. You would run right out and spend the money to protect your own family.
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I understand your POV...here is mine:
The little plastic things we have shoved in every receptacle in our home does the job equally as well as a TR device.
Is there ANY evidence that would suggest the plastic plug is inferior to the TR device?

NJ did not adapt 210.12(B) for what reason?
The State did not buy the manufacturers claims.
Why should I? (Not that I agree with everything the State decides :wink:)
Where are the combination type that would be required this year?

AFCI protection IS a good thing - but let the manufac. live up to their promises before we jump on their wagon listening to thier band.


growler said:
Most people put their own family's safety above all concerns. Nothing wrong with that.
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Of course there is nothing wrong with that....only probelm is: Not all of the promises have been kept.
 
growler said:
If you do consider them necessary then they would already be in your homes because I know you wouldn't take any chances with the lives of your family to save a few bucks.
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Thats bull, no other way to put it.

The fact that I have not installed either TRs or AFCIs has no bearing at all about how I feel about the usefulness of them.

My kids are now 7 and 9, when there where younger I had actually dis connected the power from their bedroom receptacles.

I am not about to change all the receptacles in my home just because the code changed, when I do have to replace or add a receptacle it will be TR, if I add a circuit it will be AFCI.

As much as I am for TRs I don't expect anyone including myself to change all the receptacles in their home just for the sake of doing it.

I do have GFCIs on circuits that the NEC does not require GFCIs.
 
Great poll!!! I'm sure all the people the believe every "saftey" product should be installed at any cost if it will potentially save the life of ONE child will not be too anxious to run out and install TR's everywhere and AFCI every circuit, even the ones not required by code. Those people should also install GFCI - TR's everywhere instead of regular TR's, that must be safer. And you never know, it could save one life somewhere.

If the intent is to save lives why don't they outlaw smoking. This is one of the leading causes of death. I'm pretty sure sticking a paper-clip in an outlet doesn't even make the list. So explain to me again what the real motive behind the TR and AFCI code is?
 
My house was built in 1950. When I purchased it I installed GFCIs in bathroom and kitchen and installed two outside. I also installed battery powered smoke/CO detectors (not intereconnected).

House is done in BX and I installed grounded receptacles in all locations.

I do not see a reason for installing AFCI breakers or TR receptacles in my home.
 
shockin said:
So explain to me again what the real motive behind the TR
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2,400 kids a year go to the emergency room after sticking things in receptacles, I am pretty sure the real motive is to make that number smaller.
 
shockin said:
If the intent is to save lives why don't they outlaw smoking. ?
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They did it in Illinois as of the first of this year.

But that's a debate for another day.......:smile:
 
I-wire, my point is why not focus on the leading causes of death - many of which would COST nothing to eliminate? Smoking is just an easy example. (Please don't eliminate drinking however)

As a sparky I'm all for selling these products. It equals more money. As a consumer I fell like it is purley driven by the manufactures desire to make more money.
 
tmbrk said:
My house was built in 1950. When I purchased it I installed GFCIs in bathroom and kitchen and installed two outside. I also installed battery powered smoke/CO detectors (not intereconnected).

House is done in BX and I installed grounded receptacles in all locations.
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My house is the same story as TM's....but I chose to add smoke/CO detectors (hardwired) all over the place (over stock :smile:)....battery smokes would have been a code compliant solution.
 
shockin said:
I-wire, my point is why not focus on the leading causes of death - many of which would COST nothing to eliminate? Smoking is just an easy example. (Please don't eliminate drinking however)
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Because this is the NFPA and they are not the Govt. and they are not in control of those other causes of injuries.

The NEC CMP (Code Making Panel) was shown some pretty grim injury statistics and there was already a low cost product on the shelf that has a good chance of reducing injuries.

The AFCI issue is in my opinion a different story but one that we are stuck with like it or not.
 
480 - I don't think that matters. The point is, if you believe in the product and think it will save lives you should immedialty replace what you currenty have installed at any cost.
 
shockin said:
480 - I don't think that matters. The point is, if you believe in the product and think it will save lives you should immedialty replace what you currenty have installed at any cost.
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If that's the case, we'd be rewiring our houses every three years.
 
This TR- AFCI debate is exhausting.

For the record, since I am well aware whom this thread is aimed at...

I have AFCI's in my house. I buy an extra one every once in a while and when I feel like it I install them. I have also installed them on circuits I have added that did not require them.

I do not have TR receptacles.


If and when I do any electrical work it will be to, or over and above the NEC. Just as I would do for any customer.

And I won't be crying while doing it. :rolleyes:
 
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