Stranded wires under screws

[Flex]

Im with you guys, i hook them all around the screws

 

[ohm]

Same here. If it squeezes out, I'll pinch the hook with needlenose pliers while tightening.

Ditto. I actually prefer stranded over solid for the pressure plate as well as the screw. I've seen solid wiggle out of a pressure plate.

Also, I would never try to crimp a fork on a piece of solid, unless I wrapped
it back on itself.

 

[quogueelectric]

The forcing of stranded wire under a receptacle screw without tinning or pigtailing makes my skin crawl. This is of course my personal opinion. In my wildest dreams I would never think this was code compliant.

 

[Flex]

The forcing of stranded wire under a receptacle screw without tinning or pigtailing makes my skin crawl. This is of course my personal opinion. In my wildest dreams I would never think this was code compliant.

I was once told you couldnt use stranded under a screw without the pressure plate. I dont but it doesnt mean that its wrong.

 

[B4T]

I have never seen stranded wire under a switch or outlet screw that looked like a nice install. Half of the wire was under the screw on a good day. I would only use a fork terminal or the kind of device that uses a pressure plate like a GFI has

 

[ohm]

The forcing of stranded wire under a receptacle screw without tinning or pigtailing makes my skin crawl. This is of course my personal opinion. In my wildest dreams I would never think this was code compliant.

It takes a little practice but if done properly offers much more surface to surface area than solid. The device will almost fall into the box, very little hamering required:smile:

 

[TwinCitySparky]

I never use fork terminals in that situation.

Just trying to avoid one bad thing by applying another...

I do the counterclockwise twist/short insulation thing when I must.

 

[Mule]

I hate stranded wire for small sizes of wire....I usually '"pigtail to solid if I run into that....there is no way to get a reliable, full contact connection under a screw with stranded IMO unless its soldered..and I aint doing that...Have I cheated? yes but I dont like it

 

[iwire]

there is no way to get a reliable, full contact connection under a screw with stranded IMO unless its soldered

That is simply untrue.

 

[macmikeman]

Here is one "listed" fork terminal solution that cannot be purchased out of my vehicles http://www.idealindustries.com/products/wire_termination/twist-on/term-a-nut_pigtail.jsp (actually I think I might have one somewhere in the misc get me out of a mess bin, but its been sitting in there for a long time now). What is odd is that this product exists, but hasn't been rammed down our throats mandatory yet......

 

[Fulthrotl]

Are there any devices rated for back stabbing a #12 stranded wire?

yes. wago's..... not exactly a device, but.....

as far as landing a stranded wire on a ground screw, etc. i go back an inch
and a quarter or so from the end of the wire, use strippers and pull the
insulation down exposing the wire for 1/4", leaving the insulation on the
end of the wire, and wrap the exposed wire around the screw, and tighten
it down....the wire doesn't fuzz out that way, and the end of the wire is
1/4" back up inside the insulation that was pulled down, so that isn't an
issue. put a turn of tape around the device, and call it good.

i'll agree with bob... i don't see a crimp on lug giving a better connection.


randy

 

[iwire]

i'll agree with bob... i don't see a crimp on lug giving a better connection.

I am so verklempt, I don't know what to do. :smile:


Thank you Randy (That is sincere)

 

[boboelectric]

I will leave a tiny piece of insulation on the end of the standed wire when I wrap the wire around a screw terminal. The small piece of insulation will hold the strands together pretty good.

Chris

I've seen this,Tried this, Like it.

 

[steelersman]

I would never try to crimp a fork on a piece of solid, unless I wrapped it back on itself.

I don't know why anyone would try to crimp a fork on a piece of solid. I think you got it confused. They were talking about crimping a fork on stranded instead of wrapping it around the screw. If you have solid then you would obviously have no need for a fork terminal.

 

[steelersman]

yes. wago's..... not exactly a device, but....

I have a hard time believing or understanding how you would push a stranded wire into a wago without the strands going haywire? Does the wago open up and then you lay the wire into it and close it around the wire?

 

[Fulthrotl]

I have a hard time believing or understanding how you would push a stranded wire into a wago without the strands going haywire? Does the wago open up and then you lay the wire into it and close it around the wire?

not the funky wagos that come with halo can lights... the good wago's
that are rated for stranded wire. they make an excellent connection on
stranded wire, if done correctly.

we beat that dead horse 2 weeks ago. you can view the carcass here:

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=108516&highlight=wagos

randy

 

[steelersman]

not the funky wagos that come with halo can lights... the good wago's
that are rated for stranded wire. they make an excellent connection on
stranded wire, if done correctly.

Are these the kind that you have to stick a small flathead in to open it up and then insert the stranded wire? If so then I can understand that.

we beat that dead horse 2 weeks ago. you can view the carcass here:

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=108516&highlight=wagos

randy

Yes I've read that thread when it was still fresh. I posted in there as well.

 

[iwire]

Are these the kind that you have to stick a small flathead in to open it up and then insert the stranded wire? If so then I can understand that.

Nope, you just push the wire in the hole, thats it.

 

[steelersman]

Nope, you just push the wire in the hole, thats it.

ok. interesting.

 

[iwire]

These ones from Ideal are rated for 14 to 18 AWG stranded or 12 to 20 AWG solid.