Sump pump and GFCI protection?

[GG]

Does a sump pump require a GFCI outlet or do most sump pumps already come with some type of GFCI protection built into them? Any NEC articles that could clear this up for me? TY

 

[kjw444]

Since the sump is a dedicated circuit it does not require gfci protection. Imagine if you had heavy rains and something trips the gfi you would have a flooded basement and possibly much bigger concerns. That is what I have always thought and been told. Maybe, and I could be wrong it could require a gfi outlet after the rough as temp power until the cable is sleeved and a single receptacle is installed?

 

[stickboy1375]

If the pump is in a basment then you have to use a GFI... read ART. 210.8

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Not all sump pumps are dedicated circuits and the fact that it may be should have no effect on whether it is a gfci or not. As stickboy said in basements of dwellings (corrected) unfinished basements, crawl spaces or outside it must be on a GFCI.
Read art. 210.8(A) for dwelling 210.8(B) other than dwelling

 

[Oakey]

I put them on a single rec no Gfi.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I put them on a single rec no Gfi.

It's not legal but many do it that way.

 

[infinity]

GFCI protection is not required for a single receptacle if it occupies a dedicated space. This exception will be deleted in the 2008 NEC. After that you'll need to install a 240 volt sump pump to not use a GFCI receptacle.

 

[kjw444]

There is an exception in art. 210.8 (A)(5) exception 2. A sump crock is dedicated space.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I disagree--- I don't think a sump pump is an appliance. Would you allow a single recep. in a crawl for a condensate pump. I would think not.

 

[chevyx92]

I disagree--- I don't think a sump pump is an appliance. Would you allow a single recep. in a crawl for a condensate pump. I would think not.

I would say that a sump pump does meet the defintion of "Utilization equipment" which is what "Appliance" says. Or am I missing something?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Read the definition in art. 100 of appliance> I believe that art. 210.8 (A) (2) except. #2 and art. 210.8(A)(5) exception #2 are talking about freezer and refrigerators- but not limited to that.

The statement" located within the dedicated space" tells me that the receptacle is to be hidden by the appliance. If the refrigerator is against the wall and the single recep. is outside that space then it would need GFCI protection.

Of course, as Trevor has said, this is a moot point as of 2008 anyway. There will be no exception.

 

[wbalsam1]

Does a sump pump require a GFCI outlet or do most sump pumps already come with some type of GFCI protection built into them? Any NEC articles that could clear this up for me? TY

A sump pump that is cord-and-plug connected,(in other words, needs a receptacle) installed in a crawl space must have GFCI protection. There are no exceptions to this provision at 210.8(A)(4).
A sump pump (located in an unfinished basement) that is cord and plug connected and plugged into a single receptacle or is one of two appliances plugged into a duplex receptacle that is in a dedicated space for two appliances need not have GFCI protection.
Crawl space..no exception...

 

[Dennis Alwon]

again I think this is a loose interpretation of the rule. I do not think a sump pump meets the meaning of appliance but we could argue that forever.

 

[wbalsam1]

again I think this is a loose interpretation of the rule. I do not think a sump pump meets the meaning of appliance but we could argue that forever.

A sumppump is installed in a sump hole. It's a machine used to force a liquid through it by suction or pressure. It's a mechanical device that changes the application of energy. Appliance derives from the word application and how machines apply force. I think a sumppump is a "utilization equipment". The definition of equipment in the code even mentions appliance. I don't want to argue it forever, though.

 

[chevyx92]

A sumppump is installed in a sump hole. It's a machine used to force a liquid through it by suction or pressure. It's a mechanical device that changes the application of energy. Appliance derives from the word application and how machines apply force. I think a sumppump is a "utilization equipment". The definition of equipment in the code even mentions appliance. I don't want to argue it forever, though.

I agree with what you're saying. Just another topic open for never ending opinions.

 

[stickboy1375]

None the less, I believe the code lets you use a non gfi receptacle behind a fridge or freezer is because its not readily accessible... just like a ceiling mounted receptacle in a garage (non gfi protected...) I agree with Dennis...

 

[Dennis Alwon]

None the less, I believe the code lets you use a non gfi receptacle behind a fridge or freezer is because its not readily accessible... just like a ceiling mounted receptacle in a garage (non gfi protected...) I agree with Dennis...

Right On Stickboy

 

[Oakey]

Inspectors are always telling me that a single receptacle on a airhandler/furnace is acceptable for the condensate pump . Most of the time it is in the basement and readily accessible on ground level. It's the reason I use singles on sump pumps and the like. Is this wrong? I am here to learn not trying to be a pain.

 

[stickboy1375]

Inspectors are always telling me that a single receptacle on a airhandler/furnace is acceptable for the condensate pump . Most of the time it is in the basement and readily accessible on ground level. It's the reason I use singles on sump pumps and the like. Is this wrong? I am here to learn not trying to be a pain.

If its in an unfinished basement, then it has to be GFI protected...

 

[don_resqcapt19]

In the 1993 code there was an exception that specifically permitted a basement sump pump to be connected to a non-GFCI protected receptacle. This exception was deleted by the action on proposal 2-139 for the 1996 code. The substantiation was that the exception was no longer needed as the result of the revision to Exception #1 in the section. The panel agreed.
Don