No, the only times I've seen NM run to a disposal is when the hack ran the NM right into the wiring compartment. Never used a connector through the proper opening. And just left the cover off.
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No, the only times I've seen NM run to a disposal is when the hack ran the NM right into the wiring compartment. Never used a connector through the proper opening. And just left the cover off.
steelersman
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Well you didn't elaborate that it was run into the compartment without a connector and cover not on. That's a little different than using the proper connector and putting the cover back on don't you think?
I'm sensing that you despise using NM period vs. a cord.
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I'd call it a violation of 334.15(B).
I wouldn't, and neither do the inspectors around here.:smile:
If it's routed correctly and strapped, I don't consider it "necessary" that it needs protection from physical damage".
What kind of damage is going occur in a kitchen sink cabinet?
Just my pinion
steve
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I totally agree however I always sleeve the nm in a piece of carflex to give it some protection and to look a bit neater.
electricmanscott
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Have you ever looked inside a sink cabinet?
IMO it does violate 334.15(B) and I would not do it. Of course it doesn't matter what I think.
How about 334.30?
steelersman
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Interesting. Around here it is standard practice. No sleeving. Just tywrap it along the drain pipe and voila! you have a working disposal. Let's not be so prudent people. There is no danger of damaging the romex. Let's be realistic here.
On the note of protection from physical damage, why then is it acceptible to not sleeve the SE-U cable which is unfused from the load side of the meter base into the main panel? Perfectly acceptible but I'd certainly worry about that being damaged than I would a peice of romex under the kitchen sink.
On the note of protection from physical damage, why then is it acceptible to not sleeve the SE-U cable which is unfused from the load side of the meter base into the main panel? Perfectly acceptible but I'd certainly worry about that being damaged than I would a peice of romex under the kitchen sink.
Have you ever looked inside a sink cabinet?
Only at other peoples houses.:grin:, and that's usually to install a disposal or a receptacle for a dishwasher.
Sometimes I go back to look again at the neat job that I've done.:grin:
As far as 334.30, I choose cable ties, usually about 6" apart.
steve
steelersman
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Have you ever looked inside a sink cabinet?
Yes and what I usually see are some various cleaning supplies. A little dishwashing detergent, some window cleaner, some sponges, maybe a bucket, some furniture polish and stuff like that. I've never seen anything that will damage the romex underneath the sink like sledge hammers or axes or knives or things of that nature, but if someone chooses to use their sink cabinet as a shed then so be it. The NEC can't dictate that.
Yes and what I usually see are some various cleaning supplies. A little dishwashing detergent, some window cleaner, some sponges, maybe a bucket, some furniture polish and stuff like that. I've never seen anything that will damage the romex underneath the sink like sledge hammers or axes or knives or things of that nature, but if someone chooses to use their sink cabinet as a shed then so be it. The NEC can't dictate that.
What happens when the typical plumber gets under there to work? You know, the plumber we all know that went to apprentice school and the first thing they taught him was, "
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What happens when the typical plumber gets under there to work? You know, the plumber we all know that went to apprentice school and the first thing they taught him was, "the electricians!"?
What if? Come on Ken we can't solve the world's problems/ What if the painter unstraps out conduit coming down a wall so he can paint and doesn't put it back? What if that same plumber takes out a water heater and installs another one and wires it back with the 12/2 that fed it?
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
I, too, have never installed cord'n'plugs for those appliances, although I have serviced a few disposers that were that way, but I've never even seen a dishwasher so wired.
foot switch
foot switch
I am thinking a safety switch like is used for a pipe threader machine would work.
http://www.ssccontrols.com/guide.htm or...
http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/173/html/sections/17/17317120.html
Cut a hole in the kick plate and fasten it inside. The user would have to insert their foot to activate it. I am also thinking a switch/disconnect on the wall for safety sake.
foot switch
I am thinking a safety switch like is used for a pipe threader machine would work.
http://www.ssccontrols.com/guide.htm or...
http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/173/html/sections/17/17317120.html
Cut a hole in the kick plate and fasten it inside. The user would have to insert their foot to activate it. I am also thinking a switch/disconnect on the wall for safety sake.
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