tyraps as emt support

[iwire]

if you can put your name on it thats your thing.

I can put my name on any work that meets code and the customers expectations.

If the customer is cheap I can work cheap. If the customer wants it done with gold plated conduit fittings I can do that too.

While I do take pride in my work I take much more pride in supporting my family.

 

[Flex]

While I do take pride in my work...

In your opinion maybe, but im sure many feel differently about tye wraps than you do

 

[76nemo]

yea im not sayin im electrician of the year here, just surprised how nonchalant you are about doin it. guess i just learned differently. if you can put your name on it thats your thing.

Well, for one, don't get a bad taste in your mouth over this forum so far. You are amongst some of the best in the field. Note: That DARNED sure doesn't include me!!!

There are plenty of individuals here MORE than willing to answer your questions or help you out. We can talk of ethic, we can talk of code, UL, NFPA, etc., etc., etc., but let's keep it friendly:smile: If we speak of hack work, it's spoken third party.

 

[76nemo]

In your opinion maybe, but im sure many feel differently about tye wraps than you do

So, do I have to hijack the thread, I tried? How do you feel about taping wire nuts?:grin:

 

[Flex]

taping them is goin above and beyond. i might not do it but its not cheapin out and takin shortcuts.

 

[Flex]

Well, for one, don't get a bad taste in your mouth over this forum so far. You are amongst some of the best in the field. Note: That DARNED sure doesn't include me!!!

There are plenty of individuals here MORE than willing to answer your questions or help you out. We can talk of ethic, we can talk of code, UL, NFPA, etc., etc., etc., but let's keep it friendly:smile: If we speak of hack work, it's spoken third party.

I just thought more of iwire from other post i read. but everyone here does seem to know there stuff for the most part

 

[iwire]

In your opinion maybe, but im sure many feel differently about tye wraps than you do

I am sure there are many, it's big world.

But keep in mind that we don't allow any flaming here and your post

anyone who tye wraps pipes is a shoemaker and gives all electricians a bad name

was getting close to that.


76 was trying to give you a hint about that.

 

[nakulak]

the first pipe I ever ran was xp at a bomb factory. When I did a box store and I saw guys tie wiring pipe onto the joists I wanted to puke. Now when I see tie wire or zip ties, I see the money not being spent in labor and materials on trapezes, kendorf , pipe hangars, beam clamps etc.
my point ? as long as it meets code and is suitable for the installation it works for me.
jmsho

 

[crossman]

Hey Flex, where does the "crap work" stop and the "craftsmanship" start?

You use one hole straps for EMT? That's crap! You should use the thick steel 2-hole straps. And what the heck is this EMT? EMT is CRAP. Why aren't you using plasti-bond RMC?? THAT is where the craftmanship starts. #12 for a 20 amp circuit? Are you kidding me??? #8 is way better. Only a hack would use something as small as #12.

Why hasn't your boss picked up on all this too?

 

[iwire]

I just thought more of iwire from other post i read.

I will go in the corner and cry now. :grin:

 

[Flex]

I am sure there are many, it's big world.

But keep in mind that we don't allow any flaming here and your post





was getting close to that.


76 was trying to give you a hint about that.

i apologize shoulda read the rules a little better

 

[76nemo]

I just thought more of iwire from other post i read. but everyone here does seem to know there stuff for the most part

Clint is straight to the point. His point is that tywrapping to trusses meets code. He didn't say it was his method of choice, he just simply stated it was within the NEC. You'll see these types of discussions all of the time, don't let it under your skin.

 

[iwire]

When I did a box store and I saw guys tie wiring pipe onto the joists .

Go figure it was a giant Blue box store where I used tie wraps on joists. :grin:

 

[iwire]

His point is that tywrapping to trusses meets code. He didn't say it was his method of choice, he just simply stated it was within the NEC. You'll see these types of discussions all of the time, don't let it under your skin.

Thanks, I talk more on the edge installations then I actually install.

 

[R Bob]

Are we talking about using wire ties in plenum ceilings/spaces?

In the D.C. Metro area, it has been my experience over the years that nylon wire ties are no more acceptable in a plenum space than Romex.

In fact, it is explicitly forbidden for any purpose by the AHJs I have encountered, unless the product is deemed suitable(meet certain characteristics) for use in a plenum space.

If I remember correctly, this issue really came to a head several years back when ceiling spaces began to get over loaded with voice/data/CATV/communications and other types of cabling.

In any event, just to chime in, I have found steel tie wire to be fairly typical unless hangers/straps are specified.

 

[Smart $]

I believe we need to look at what the tyrap is list for and what the amount of weight the tyrap can handle..I personally would not use that method even if the customer tried to beet the price into the ground..I believe the tyrap is only rated for 15lbs but I can not be sure as I am not going to research it right now..

okay I looked it up and here is the link

http://www.idealindustries.com/products/wire_management/cable_ties/standard_cable_ties.jsp

I was wrong it is 18 lbs..

If that's the case, why not just use reinforced strapping tape, such as 3M Scotch Reinforced Strapping Tapes...

It is inexpensive :wink: and with tensile strength up to 240 lbs./in. width, you could even use it to support conduit to the bottom of trusses (2 wraps x 240 lb strength of 1-inch-wide 865 = 480 lbs.)

 

[mdshunk]

Are we talking about using wire ties in plenum ceilings/spaces?

In the D.C. Metro area, it has been my experience over the years that nylon wire ties are no more acceptable in a plenum space than Romex.

That's what the purple zip ties are for. They're plenum rated.

The colors, generally, mean something. White is regular, black is UV resistant, purple is plenum rated, and blue is detectable for use in slaughterhouses/food plants. That said, I had to specially buy some orange zip ties to wire an AutoZone store. It was one of the specs. I think I still have half a box of them someplace. Look up next time you're in an AutoZone, and you'll see the orange cable ties on the orange bar joists.

 

[iwire]

Are we talking about using wire ties in plenum ceilings/spaces?

I was not, the areas I have used tie wraps for EMT supports have been warehouse type stores.

 

[mattsilkwood]

i have seen it done and agree its within code but personally i dont like it.i think it looks cheap. but someone hit it right on the head it all goes back to what the customer wants to pay for. good, fast, cheap pick any two.

 

[mivey]

I have never used tie wraps for emt support and did not realize they were an acceptable method until I read it here.

I don't have a problem with it as long as it looks decent and provides proper support. As for looking at it and it being ugly, it can still be part of an exposed wiring method. At least it won't rust. Why is a small tie wrap any more offensive than a hanger?

I remember seeing the pretty white primary in Vegas but it still did not hide the 70 foot poles, insulators, etc.

I notice the AC guys use tie-wraps on the duct work connections as well. This kind of reminds me of the NM vs conduit debate.