Unhappy cable customer

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LV grider said:
Iwire, I have a question?

How come there is plenty of room for all the jokes and tit for tat but if someone takes the time to go into necessary detail you label it as too long?

Some things never change!
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I have never stopped anyone from making long posts, but if the person is trying to effectively communicate with me I am letting them know I don't read the long posts.
 
iwire said:
I have never stopped anyone from making long posts, but if the person is trying to effectively communicate with me I am letting them know I don't read the long posts.
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I know where you are coming from, its similar to when one person doesnt quit talking during a phone call, after a certain amount of time, I lose interest in whatever they are yakking about and just go into the Uh-huh... Uh-huh... mode.
 
I am a firm believer that if someone spends the time to type out a long post their is ususally a good reason. You will learn alot more by reading it and by listening than you will by talking. Phone calls are a different story though.....:roll:
 
glacier37 said:
I am a firm believer that if someone spends the time to type out a long post their is ususally a good reason. You will learn alot more by reading it and by listening than you will by talking.
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Uh Uh, let me ask you a question, have you ever read Moby Dick?

Roger
 
I have never stopped anyone from making long posts, but if the person is trying to effectively communicate with me I am letting them know I don't read the long posts.

I'll read anything someone has to offer as long as its grammar, punctuation and spelling is at least at a high school level. You can't always condense something into one or two sentences for people with short attenton spans.

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
I'll read anything someone has to offer as long as its grammar, punctuation and spelling is at least at a high school level. You can't always condense something into one or two sentences for people with short attenton spans.

-Hal
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But being concise may help those with long attention spans who are not interested take a gander.

As far as I'm concerned, we have our own technology division that does our F/A, Data, Phone, Nurse Call, etc.... systems and my people only supply the raceways.

When I do a job with other contractors besides our tech group that is specked with BICSI recommendations, especially the infamous recommendation that says no more that two 90's between pull points, (I assume this because of weak arms pulling the conductors:wink: ) I make it a point to put the pull boxes 30, 40, 50, or more feet in the air, or in very hard to get at places. :grin:

Roger
 
roger said:
When I do a job with other contractors besides our tech group that is specked with BICSI recommendations, especially the infamous recommendation that says no more that two 90's between pull points, (I assume this because of weak arms pulling the conductors:wink: ) I make it a point to put the pull boxes 30, 40, 50, or more feet in the air, or in very hard to get at places. :grin:

Roger
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I did a slab today and installed a 3" and 4" RNC under ground for CATV and phone. The cables as we all know will be the diameter of my thumb.

We used to supply 2" then 3" and now 4".

How about I just pull the cable for you?:roll:
 
chris kennedy said:
I did a slab today and installed a 3" and 4" RNC under ground for CATV and phone. The cables as we all know will be the diameter of my thumb.

We used to supply 2" then 3" and now 4".

How about I just pull the cable for you?:roll:
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I've been there and done that. We had a job that required us to run (2) 4" pvc conduits 490' for one 25 pair phone entrance and we did end up having to pull it when the LV contractor couldn't. :wink:

Roger
 
roger said:
I've been there and done that. We had a job that required us to run (2) 4" pvc conduits 490' for one 25 pair phone entrance and we did end up having to pull it when the LV contractor couldn't. :wink:

Roger
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Nice extra,

LV contractor couldn't reach the pull boxes?:smile:
 
4" has always been the standard. That goes back to the days when lots of copper was the norm and expansion was a possibility. Back then 4" was a minor expense over something smaller. Today nothing is minor and I agree 4" is overkill for 25 pair.

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
4" has always been the standard. That goes back to the days when lots of copper was the norm and expansion was a possibility. Back then 4" was a minor expense over something smaller. Today nothing is minor and I agree 4" is overkill for 25 pair.
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Those 4-inchers are coming in handy in this day of fiber optic. Nice bend radiuses, and room to pull in some sort of innerduct for the fiber if there's already phone and cable in that 4-incher. I pull in 3/4" polyethylene water pipe as innerduct for 12-fiber.
 
mdshunk said:
I pull in 3/4" polyethylene water pipe as innerduct for 12-fiber.
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Why wouldn't you use a real innerduct?

Roger
 
mdshunk said:
A combination of it not being readily available to me, a cost savings, and no real enhancement over poly water pipe.
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So your inspectors (or are there any) are not concerned with listing requirements?

How do you fire stop this water pipe where it enters the building?

Roger
 
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roger said:
So your inspectors (or are there any) are not concerned with listing requirements?
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Who requires innerduct to be listed? The earth around direct burial cable is not listed. If I was brave, I could pull in the fiber cable with no innerduct of any sort, if I wanted to.
 
mdshunk said:
Who requires innerduct to be listed?
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Nobody but, if your using for fiber optic it still has to be installed per the requirements of 770




mdshunk said:
The earth around direct burial cable is not listed. If I was brave, I could pull in the fiber cable with no innerduct of any sort, if I wanted to.
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And is this true of all other conductors as well since the earth is not listed? :grin:

Roger
 
mdshunk said:
Typically, it would end inside a big pull box, and the fiber cable would emerge from the pull box sans innerdut.
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So what do you do, excavate these uneccessary 4" conduits and cut them off outside the building?

Then, how do you fire stop it with an approved assembly per the Fire Resistance Directories or some equivilant?

Roger
 
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