Using much 12/2/2 NM cable?

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stickboy1375 said:
I'll buy a roll and use it like nothing. Guess it just depends on where you live and what you do...
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I don't know if where I live has anything to do with it.


Very rarely do I have the need to run three switch legs and a neutral to anything but if I do I am ready!
 
electricmanscott said:
I don't know if where I live has anything to do with it.
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Yes and no. I'm my travels I've noticed that there are many little regional quirks and practices. I don't know if using or not using 4 wire cable is one of them, but I think most of the things electricians do or don't do is because of stubbornness and resistance to new ideas.
 
electricmanscott said:
I don't know if where I live has anything to do with it.


Very rarely do I have the need to run three switch legs and a neutral to anything but if I do I am ready!
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Who said you have to use 3 switch legs and a neutral? How bout a 120v circuit and a 240v circuit with 1 cable?
 
stickboy1375 said:
Who said you have to use 3 switch legs and a neutral? How bout a 120v circuit and a 240v circuit with 1 cable?
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Exactly!

Did this A/C disco & GFCI combo with 12-2-2

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LawnGuyLandSparky said:
If that disco was exterior wall mounted, why wouldn't you just feed the GFCI with a local convenience circuit?
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If it was old work, running the 12/2/2 from the panel (since you need a new circuit out there anyhow) might well be easier than running the new circuit from the panel plus fishing to an existing circuit.
 
Just for the official Congressional record, I was NOT talking about 12/2/2, I use that all the time. I was talking about 12/4.

Carry on. :grin:
 
mdshunk said:
I'm starting to really like this 12/2/2 NM cable some of the companies are making now. Real handy for running pseudo multi-wire branch circuits when they need to be AFCI protected, since there's two whites (one has a red stripe). Looks like 12/3 from the jacket appearance, but it has red dashes on the jacket to easily distinguish it from 12/3. I have a feeling we're going to see a lot more of this cable when the '08 takes wider effect. I paid $171 yesterday for a 250 foot roll, so that's pretty close to being on par with two rolls of 12/2 that it replaces.

Marc

I have not used the NM version yet but I have used the MC version.
I have also used 12/3/3 and 10/3/3.
Great for jobs requiring seperate neutrals. (DUH!)
The MC version has actually been around for a while.
Very convenient.....a tad heavy but still very convenient.
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quogueelectric said:
I have been using it for years now it is great when you pull one wire out to ac compressors and you have your receptacle ckt right in the same jacket. For afci ckts it clearly separates the neutral with only one homerun. Baseboard electric heaters but not many can afford it anymore we are almost 20c per kwh sometimes over with the fuel surcharge.
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I thought that my electric was high at 9.8c per kwh.
 
peter d said:
In southern New England, electricity rates as high as 17 cents/KwH are common.
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Try 34 cents Kwh and they have raised that again in March, we have very few lights on, and all washed is dried on a cloths line, ride down our neighborhood at night and you can't see more then a fwe homes with any lights on, 5 years ago every home was light up. We finally sat down last week to discuss solar panels, they would pay for themself in on time at all.
 
wptski said:
Being at anti-DIY'r, therefore you aren't one yourself? Meaning you don't do any carpenter, painting, plumbing or auto repair work yourself, correct? Don't hide behind saftey or codes either for DIY electrical work!
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Well lets see, since I am a licensed general contractor in my home state (inactive status at present) as well as a licensed electrical contractor, carpentry and painting is well within my scope of non diy work if I chose to do some. I passed all the exams. As far as plumbing and auto- nope. I leave that to the pro's.
Now, as far as posting about diy's, yes for the record I am 99 per cent of the time pretty disgusted with the unsafe wiring messes they leave behind them.
Now maybe in your area they do a better job. Not mine.
 
I used plenty of the 14-2-2 cable before and I like it. Supply houses stopped carrying it around here about a year ago. The reason I posted like I first did is because in the 2008 code I will have to use a multipole handle tie breaker, and tie wrap the multiwire branch circuit conductors together to meet that code. The change in the code was a long time coming. It is the result of the fact that untrained and unqualified people are working on live circuits that are sometimes multiwire branch circuits. We know what conscequences of that can be. When untrained and unqualified people work on live circuits using 12-2-2 or 14-2-2 and only know to disconnect one of the two circuits present, there will be problems, possible deaths. It will only be a matter of time imho until the code is changed to lower that risk, possibly by the use of multipole breakers on the circuits using that type of cable. It would be an ok change in my book, but the reason behind those type of changes is a problem for me in its essence. I still don't like diy's. Hows that. Did I explain myself better now?
 
macmikeman said:
I used plenty of the 14-2-2 cable before and I like it. Supply houses stopped carrying it around here about a year ago. The reason I posted like I first did is because in the 2008 code I will have to use a multipole handle tie breaker, and tie wrap the multiwire branch circuit conductors together to meet that code.
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14-2-2 is not a multiwire branch circuit.
 
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