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As I'm reading my pay should be higher than the 10.50 i make now. I work around 25 hours a week on co-op with a company thats about 80% residential and commercial service work. I do focus on the work to be performed but i go slower than another employee. I tend to make sure everything looks nice and is correct. Very interesting observation.

EDIT: I'm still in high school 18 years old
 
jayrad1122 said:
As I'm reading my pay should be higher than the 10.50 i make now. I work around 25 hours a week on co-op with a company thats about 80% residential and commercial service work. I do focus on the work to be performed but i go slower than another employee. I tend to make sure everything looks nice and is correct. Very interesting observation.

EDIT: I'm still in high school 18 years old
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I think you are doin' pretty good. You could do a lot worse at your age. if you live at home I would suggest you start a ROTH IRA tomarrow. If you like the work you are doing keep at it and sped will come with the neatness you have and you can earn a good living.
 
DAWGS said:
I run a merit shop, and that is exactly how I base my pay scale. My journeyman actually all receiveda $1.50 raise this last week to get to the scale. Thats what keeps these guys from jumping my ship onto someone elses. I dont know about you, but I need to keep every good hand I have as we stay very busy.
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If they want to jump ship let them, loyalty works two ways. Ever have a boss who financed a car for you? I know one who did. The grass might look greener somewhere else but it might only be because of the crap underneath it.
 
i also think speed will come with time. I started not an IRA but with a CD that i will continually grow. IRA is a good idea but my fuel bill is steadily climbing (diesel 4x4).
 
bikeindy said:
If they want to jump ship let them, loyalty works two ways. Ever have a boss who financed a car for you? I know one who did. The grass might look greener somewhere else but it might only be because of the crap underneath it.[/QUOTE

If I let all the good ones jump ship what will I have then? My paycheck is also dependent on them, its a 2-way street. I dont know about Indiana, but in the south if you get good hands you better keep them. Lots of work, and few good JW's that will show to work everyday.
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jayrad1122 said:
i also think speed will come with time. I started not an IRA but with a CD that i will continually grow. IRA is a good idea but my fuel bill is steadily climbing (diesel 4x4).
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Your in Northeast Pa, your wage is good for that area, as for speed the only speed, they know up there is at the raceway, all work is at one speed slow and slower.
 
satcom said:
Your in Northeast Pa, your wage is good for that area, as for speed the only speed, they know up there is at the raceway, all work is at one speed slow and slower.
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Ain't that 2 speeds?:D
 
DAWGS said:
If you are hiring licensed journeyman you should be paying comparison to union scale. Go to the IBEW website, and to the local thats near you and check the job board. It will have the scale on their.
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Remember that those wages are professionally negotiated by both NECA (the contractors) and the IBEW (the electricians). Many hundreds of factors are considered and many millions of dollars are at stake with every increase or decrease in wages. These are serious numbers. They reflect factors such as local economy, work forecasts, housing markets, interest rates and inflation.
I can see trying to operate just below these wages to make an extra buck. Its just not for me.
 
crossman said:
Like I said, it is all a matter of perspecitve.

I often see ECs here on this site moaning about how other ECs are doing the work for too cheap. They want other ECs to raise their prices so all ECs can make a decent living. Nothing wrong with that. ECs deserve to make a nice living.

But the same thing goes for electricians. They could moan about other electricians working too cheap. Nothing wrong with an electrician moaning about the other electricians who work so darned cheap. Electricians deserve a nice living too.
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Not according to some ECs. The goals of an hourly worker are completely the opposite of the goals of someone who is in the business of selling an hourly worker's labor, skill and time.
 
bikeindy said:
If they want to jump ship let them, loyalty works two ways. Ever have a boss who financed a car for you? I know one who did. The grass might look greener somewhere else but it might only be because of the crap underneath it.
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If I was ever in a position where I needed my boss to finance anything for me, that would be my que to jump ship.
 
DAWGS said:
bikeindy said:
If they want to jump ship let them, loyalty works two ways. Ever have a boss who financed a car for you? I know one who did. The grass might look greener somewhere else but it might only be because of the crap underneath it.[/QUOTE

If I let all the good ones jump ship what will I have then? My paycheck is also dependent on them, its a 2-way street. I dont know about Indiana, but in the south if you get good hands you better keep them. Lots of work, and few good JW's that will show to work everyday.
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I hear this a lot about Southern workers. Christ, I haven't taken a day off in 15 years.
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LawnGuyLandSparky said:
Not according to some ECs. The goals of an hourly worker are completely the opposite of the goals of someone who is in the business of selling an hourly worker's labor, skill and time.
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That is a very "us against them" mentality. Can it not be the goal of an employee to help a company suceed and meet it's profit goal? Of course our profit is built with the hands of our employees, but the goals don't have to be opposites. What is the first goal of the company you work for? Have you asked? During the interview process I ask each prospect what their goals are. It very well might be to make more $$, or it might be to be home at 4 pm everyday, or to move into a management position. I ask this because in order for my company to be sucessful, my employees must be sucessful in their own goals. When they suceed, it makes my chances of suceeding much greater. We review our financial statement with our employees, so they know where we stand relative to our profit goals. They also know that when the company makes more, they will make more. That sounds like a common goal to me.
 
DAWGS said:
I run a merit shop, and that is exactly how I base my pay scale. My journeyman actually all receiveda $1.50 raise this last week to get to the scale. Thats what keeps these guys from jumping my ship onto someone elses. I dont know about you, but I need to keep every good hand I have as we stay very busy.
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The money you just spent giving out raises is only a short term solution. What will happen when another contractor will pay them a little more? You will be giving out more raises. That could be a never ending cycle. As previously stated, money may be the only motivator for some employees, but not everyone wants just more money. You must ask them what are their goals in life, and then help them achieve them if you can. Have them write their top 3 goals in life down on paper, and help them devise a way to reach those goals. Perhaps the young guy wants to by a house, instead of giving a raise in his check, have him open a direct deposit account and divert that raise into that account. He'll be less likely to use it for frivolous stuff, and it will start building quickly. Do you think your interest in helping him buy a house will instill loyalty? Probably more that just a $1.50 in his check that he will use to buy beer and fast food.

Ask them, then help them.
 
romexking said:
That is a very "us against them" mentality. Can it not be the goal of an employee to help a company suceed and meet it's profit goal?
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It's not us against them, any more than the relationship between a customer and contractor is us against them.

Of course our profit is built with the hands of our employees, but the goals don't have to be opposites. What is the first goal of the company you work for? Have you asked?
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The goal is the same goal of every employee who has worked for any company.

During the interview process I ask each prospect what their goals are. It very well might be to make more $$, or it might be to be home at 4 pm everyday, or to move into a management position. I ask this because in order for my company to be sucessful, my employees must be sucessful in their own goals. When they suceed, it makes my chances of suceeding much greater. We review our financial statement with our employees, so they know where we stand relative to our profit goals. They also know that when the company makes more, they will make more. That sounds like a common goal to me.
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Unless the company and the employee share a joint checking account, the goal is not common.
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
If I was ever in a position where I needed my boss to finance anything for me, that would be my que to jump ship.
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Really an employee who has but themselves in a sitation that they could only get a car from a buy here pay here place for 21% interest or more, who is well paid for their skill and motivation. Jumping ship over even $3 an hour won't change his inability to get that car for 0% interest. Thats assuming he could jump ship. Lots of electricians around here were thrown overboard.

You need to look beyond your own experiences to see the whole picture. Maybe for you it is all about the money.
 
bikeindy said:
Really an employee who has but themselves in a sitation that they could only get a car from a buy here pay here place for 21% interest or more, who is well paid for their skill and motivation. Jumping ship over even $3 an hour won't change his inability to get that car for 0% interest. Thats assuming he could jump ship. Lots of electricians around here were thrown overboard.
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For whatever reason the employee is in this situation, financing the employee's car through the boss drastically changes the employer/employee relationship. It puts the employee in a position where he is now beholden to the boss. The employee has no control over his own future, without having to also consider the transportation.

What you're doing is no different that what they used to call company stores. Where employees weren't paid in cash, but rather credit to shop at the company owned grocery, and live in the company provided housing. That lunacy was eradicated decades ago, and here you go not only re-promoting the idea, but also patting yourself on the back for you ingenuity.

Bravo, you just took the labor movement back 75 years. What's worse, you've actually convinced yourself, and are attempting to convince me that this is a better way. You don't know your history.

You need to look beyond your own experiences to see the whole picture. Maybe for you it is all about the money.
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No, it's about self respect. Money is a big part of that. Not owing your boss anything at the end of the day is another.
 
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