Under 210.52(A)(2) would the attached area (living room bookcase) count as wall spce ?
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052(A)(2) Dwelling unit receptacle outlets.
(6) For the purpose of NEC 210.52 (A)(2)(1), "similar openings" include the following configurations that are a permanent part of the dwelling configuration or finish:
(a) Window seating; and
(b) Bookcases or cabinets that extend from the floor to a level at least 1.7 meters (five (5) feet six (6) inches) above the floor.
Any outlets eliminated by such window seating, bookcases, or cabinets must be installed elsewhere within the room.
I would think if you can count a book case as wall space then in every kitchen all cabinets will have to have wall space receptacles in the doors:roll:
to me they are the same as a cabinet? or they are a cabinet!
Under 210.52(A)(2) would the attached area (living room bookcase) count as wall space ?
I would think if you can count a book case as wall space then in every kitchen all cabinets will have to have wall space receptacles in the doors:roll:.........
2-228 Log #4791 NEC-P02 Final Action: Accept in Principle
(210.52(A))
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TCC Action:
It was the action of the Technical Correlating Committee that
this action be rewritten to comply with the NEC Style Manual.
The panel action did not include a title for the new subdivision (4).
This proposal will be considered by the panel as a public comment.
Submitter:
Michael Dempsey, Municipal Code Inspections
Recommendation: Revise text as follows:
Receptacle outlets shall be installed in accordance with the general
provisions specified in 210.52(A)(1) through (A)(3) and shall be in addition to
210.52(C).
Substantiation:
Required countertop receptacles cannot be used to comply
with wall space requirements, an example is a 3 ft wall space between the end
of a counter and a door, that wall space needs a receptacle and cannot use a
countertop receptacle to comply.
Panel Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Add a new item (4) to 210.52(A) to read as follows:
(4) Receptacles installed for countertop surfaces as specified in 210.52(C)
shall not be considered as the receptacles required by 210.52(A).
Panel Statement: The panel has accepted the concept and added a new item
(4) to specifically note that countertop receptacles are not permitted to be
counted as meeting the surfaces as provisions of 210.52(A).
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12
Comment on Affirmative:
ORLOWSKI, S.: Need to revise 210.52(A)(2)(1) as follows.
Wall Space. As used in this section, a wall space shall include the following:
(1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including space measured
around corners) and unbroken along the floor line by doorways, fireplaces,
?fixed cabinets,? and similar openings.
Without this text the ?unbroken floor line? would include the floor line in front
of the kitchen cabinets.
2-234 Log #2782 NEC-P02 Final Action: Reject
(210.52(A)(2)(1))
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Submitter: Charles E. Beck, Affiliated Engineers NW, Inc.
Recommendation: Revise text as follows:
(1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including space measured
around corners) and unbroken along the floor line by permanently installed
kitchen cabinets or by doorways, fireplaces, and similar openings.
Substantiation: As written, if a kitchen has a wall that is partially, but not
completely, fitted with cabinets, and if you start measuring the open wall space
in order to lay out the wall space receptacles, you will measure along the floor
line, come to the cabinet base, measure around the corner to the front of the
cabinet, continue measuring along the front of the base cabinet until you come
to its other edge, measure around the corner to the back of the cabinet, and
continue the measurement along the remaining floor line. This puts the “wall
space” receptacle requirements of 210.52(A)(1) at odds with the “wall counter
spaces” receptacle requirements of 210.52(C)(1). The lines at which the sides
and the front of a kitchen cabinet meet the floor should not be considered “wall
spaces,” in the context of 210.52(A)(1). The present wording allows them to be
considered wall spaces. The proposed wording still treats a permanent wall-to-
wall bookcase as “wall space.”
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: The kitchen cabinets are not wall space under the rule as
stated in the current code.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12
I vote yes it should be counted as wall space.
Let me pose a question, what if the whole room was covered with shelves like that would that mean that there would not be any receptacles required in the entire room??
Yes. Next question please.Let me pose a question, what if the whole room was covered with shelves like that would that mean that there would not be any receptacles required in the entire room??
Count me in.What if the entire room were covered in cabinets. I guess according to some of you no outlets are required in the room.