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When do you consider yourself an electrician?

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ActionDave

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Whenever people ask me what I do I say I'm a construction worker. I never say I'm an electrician because the next thing I know either I'm getting questions about a ceiling fan that won't change speeds or a story all about how they did their own electrical work for a steamer when they remodeled the bathroom.
 

Sea Nile

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Whenever people ask me what I do I say I'm a construction worker. I never say I'm an electrician because the next thing I know either I'm getting questions about a ceiling fan that won't change speeds or a story all about how they did their own electrical work for a steamer when they remodeled the bathroom.
Of all the posts on this thread, @zbang 's is my favorite. Especially when visiting big orange or big blue.
At some times and in some places, I'm the Electrician; at others, I'm that fool with a screwdriver. Occasionally, I'm the Customer
 

ggunn

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I would never consider myself an electrician. I consider myself an electrical engineer with electrician tendencies. :D
 

Strathead

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No, we were basically glorified child care workers but paid well for that job back in 1972.

Btw, I believe when people asked me what I do for a living I usually say I do electrical work.


Imo, I am not an electrician... I was an electrician. Therefore, if you are not working in the trade then you are not an electrician.

If a doctor retires and doesn't do any doctoring, is he a doctor?
I know that. I end up usually saying. I'm an electrician by trade, but more of a boss type now.
 

zooby

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Indiana
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maint. electrician
This is an honest question, not trying to make a point, or rub anyone the wrong way.

Of the different stages, this is how I break it down...

1. Electrician's helper - typically a young person who doesn't know what he wants to do with his life, or someone who just wants a paycheck and not interested in learning.

2. Basic Installer - Someone who has been a helper long enough to work independently and possibly be in charge of helpers. Usually has a chip on their shoulder. Invests in their own tools.

3. Apprentice - someone who wants to learn how to be an electrician and doesn't have the "I'm God's gift to electricity" attitude. They study, ask questions, and invest in their own tools and books. Sometimes bumps heads with basic installers about doing things the right way.

4. Senior installer - very productive, fast, and knows how to make the company money and pass inspections. But doesn't understand theory or why they do what they do.

5. Unlicensed journeyman - very experienced, knows how to troubleshoot, people listed above (1-4) asks him how to do things. Has a good relationship with inspectors and can talk intelligently about all aspects of the job. But for whatever reason, hasn't or can't become licensed.

6. Licenced journeyman and above are self explanatory.

And of course almost everyone listed above will call themselves an electrician.

The reason I bring up this question, is i've always considered myself an apprentice.
I'll never accept the title of helper or installer. I plan on going from apprentice to unlicensed journeyman. But it amazes me how many people I meet who consider themselves electricians and I know much more than they do.

So at what point do I drop the apprentice label and just identify as an electrician?
not being snarky ......with the occupations you mention it seems that you would have an understanding of theory beyond a lot of us with our fancy electrician title. have a great weekend!
 

Sea Nile

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not being snarky ......with the occupations you mention it seems that you would have an understanding of theory beyond a lot of us with our fancy electrician title. have a great weekend!
I hope you have a great weekend too, and I don't think you're being snarky at all.
I only mentioned electronics and networking so not sure that helps a whole lot in this field.
Since you mentioned it, I love theory. If you understand theory, then you can make sense of why the code tells you what not to do, and what you have to do.
You can identify an unsafe situation or install even if you can't remember exactly what the code says if you understand the physics of how electricity works.
I used to think I knew, but now I realize I don't know diddly squat.
But I also realized that no one else does either.
I've watched Mike Holt's Electrical Fundamentals DVD 3 or 4 times and the Grounding and Bonding DVD twice so now I can at least contribute to the conversation somewhat intelligently but I don't have experience.
 

Rick 0920

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A man who knows how to do something will always have a job. A man who knows WHY we do it will always be his boss. A "wireman" can know how to do a task by someone showing him how to do it repetitively, but until he knows WHY it will work, he will not be considered an electrician in my eyes. A license, while important and shows an investment in ones self to their craft, simply tells me that you know how to take an exam. You still have to be able to produce.
 

Strathead

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Ocala, Florida, USA
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Electrician/Estimator/Project Manager/Superintendent
A man who knows how to do something will always have a job. A man who knows WHY we do it will always be his boss. A "wireman" can know how to do a task by someone showing him how to do it repetitively, but until he knows WHY it will work, he will not be considered an electrician in my eyes. A license, while important and shows an investment in ones self to their craft, simply tells me that you know how to take an exam. You still have to be able to produce.
I agree, but would add that the boss will only always have a job if he can know why and how, and also be able to apply that knowledge to real world situations. If the boss, knows that you must tie your shoes for them to stay on, but can't tie his own shoes then he is kind of useless. If he designs that new shoe that stays tied and you can just step in to it, then he can apply his knowledge. In my analogy, he still needs to be able to tie his own shoes though, not all jobs will have slip on shoes.
 

rambojoe

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phoenix az
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Wireman
I can tell you one thing.. if you are undoing stuff that is spec or code that a coworker does and wasting the companies time and material... you are not an electrician. However, you still can be a lead guy, foreman or electrical contractor...
 

garbo

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You are so right. In my 50 enjoyable years as a sparky I liked to spend many hours going thru the over 1,000 changes during every new code book. Attended the local 8 yearly IAEI meetings for a few years after retiring to try to keep up with the NEC. Still subscribe & read EC&M magazine, look at Mike Holts & Charlie Trouts code questions of the day and spend a few hours a month reading & occasionally answering Mike Holts vast code forum.
 

Strathead

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So based on the English language, are you saying anyone who works on anything electric, regardless of credentials, experience, or competency... Is an electrician?
If that's your position it's ok with me. I don't agree with you, but who am I to say you are wrong?
If he isn’t an electrician then what is he.
 

Sea Nile

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Georgia
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Electrician
If he isn’t an electrician then what is he.
He may be an electrician, depends on if he knows what he is doing. When I was an elementary school aged kid and I took apart a receptacle and got nailed, by that definition I was an electrician. I thought we had this horse beat. beatdeadhorse.gif
 
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