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quogueelectric said:
In order to work in a 50 mile radius I would have to have 20 different licenses which is complete bull crap that is why. would you like to pay for 20 different licenses?? I dont think you would. It is that simple.
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Perhaps you are not aware that I operate in PA, and our licensing system is exactly the same way.
 
quogueelectric said:
In order to work in a 50 mile radius I would have to have 20 different licenses which is complete bull crap that is why. would you like to pay for 20 different licenses?? I dont think you would. It is that simple.
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Yea, but every county, city, village, hamlet and burg is more than willing to take your money.....
 
So charge for permits

So charge for permits

480sparky said:
Yea, but every county, city, village, hamlet and burg is more than willing to take your money.....
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I have no problem paying for permits But paying for 20 licenses is nothing short of criminal.
 
quogueelectric said:
I have no problem paying for permits But paying for 20 licenses is nothing short of criminal.
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I totally agree. Right now, I must maintain 27 licenses (not permits!). And that's just for my trade area.
 
480sparky said:
I totally agree. Right now, I must maintain 27 licenses (not permits!). And that's just for my trade area.
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I'm curious to know if there are yearly fees associated with all of them? I have to maintain a goodly many, but for most of them it simply involves making sure they get a copy of my insurance information faxed to them every year.
 
A Good Discussion....Politics?

A Good Discussion....Politics?

quogueelectric said:
In order to work in a 50 mile radius I would have to have 20 different licenses which is complete bull crap that is why. would you like to pay for 20 different licenses?? I dont think you would. It is that simple.
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And how many additional continuing education hours to keep all your liscences current?

In the west you can get away with one or two, but you all in the north east have a valid point.

Your states would have to work together. Good luck with that. :smile:

20 liscences? Naaah.
 
county and town requires

county and town requires

Zero count em ZERO CONTINUING education to keep license HELLO!!!! get what I am complaining about. Pocket full politicians running the inspectors. I Am gonna be sick. Just state mandate like DMV that is fair to all and safer for consumers.
 
mdshunk said:
I would offer that it will be those who will get the licenses who aren't really rules violators in the first place.
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I am sure there is some truth to that, many of the people that violate the rules will not be stopped by a loss of a license.

But it does catch some of them, the fact you can't catch them all does not mean the rules do not help.

For example people speed everyday, that does not mean we should do away with speed limits. Every day people commit burglaries, that does not mean we should make it legal.

Here you can be fined, have your license suspended or revoked for anything from not pulling permits, to failing to notify the inspector the work is done to not completing jobs you have already been paid for.

Even for conduct "deemed unprofessional by the Board."


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I took a job in Conn

I took a job in Conn

In a power plant for 4 months durring a shutdown. State licensing is the most fair to everyone by far. If you get caught working without a license the penalties are swift and steep No good ole boy networks and the penalties are cut and dry. Dont do the crime if you cant do the time. One license which is not a walk through and you can work anywhere in the state one fee. This is the right way NY should adopt the same case closed.
 
mdshunk said:
I'm curious to know if there are yearly fees associated with all of them? I have to maintain a goodly many, but for most of them it simply involves making sure they get a copy of my insurance information faxed to them every year.
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Each city has their own fee schedule. Some run $20/yr, some $100. Most require a bond as well.

Most places, it isn't about 'safety' and 'protecting the consumers.' It's a source of revenue.
 
quogueelectric said:
In a power plant for 4 months durring a shutdown. State licensing is the most fair to everyone by far. If you get caught working without a license the penalties are swift and steep No good ole boy networks and the penalties are cut and dry. Dont do the crime if you cant do the time. One license which is not a walk through and you can work anywhere in the state one fee. This is the right way NY should adopt the same case closed.
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A better plan would be to do what Connecticut does, and require licensed journeymen on every job, and enforce a 1 -to-1 journeyman to apprentice ratio. That way, fly-by-night electric of Westhampton Beach can't obtain one license, then send 42 Mexicans to wire a hi rise in NYC.
 
I don't for see any change in the NYS system without some major catastrophe happening first. The current system is based on home rule which translates to MONEY and control on the local level. Greed will keep any new better system from ever being implemented.

The massage therapist who showed up to give Heath Ledger a rub down wasn't licensed and is now facing 4 years in prison, yet parts of the state have no electrical licensing whatsoever.

I don't see much hope for a NYS licensing system in my lifetime which should be at least 40 more years.:rolleyes:
 
infinity said:
.....The current system is based on home rule which translates to MONEY and control on the local level. Greed will keep any new better system from ever being implemented.

I don't see much hope for a NYS licensing system in my lifetime which should be at least 40 more years.:rolleyes:
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You're spot on about "home rule".
I hope you live another forty, too. :smile:
 
infinity said:
Greed will keep any new better system from ever being implemented.
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On the contrary, in a uniquely NY irony it will probably be greed that gets us a statewide license. When the State decides it really wants those licensing fees, it will find a way to get them.

Knowing Albany, my guess is we'll wind up with a system where we need both state and local licenses.... ;)
 
This is exactly what I would want

This is exactly what I would want

LawnGuyLandSparky said:
A better plan would be to do what Connecticut does, and require licensed journeymen on every job, and enforce a 1 -to-1 journeyman to apprentice ratio. That way, fly-by-night electric of Westhampton Beach can't obtain one license, then send 42 Mexicans to wire a hi rise in NYC.
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I am not so worried about that it is just frustrating that everything seems so much simpler in Conn. and it could be here too but someone has to start the ball rolling so it may as well be me. Oh btw the daylaborors at the mill road 7-11 in westhampton are mostly from guatemala.
 
ceknight said:
On the contrary, in a uniquely NY irony it will probably be greed that gets us a statewide license. When the State decides it really wants those licensing fees, it will find a way to get them.

Knowing Albany, my guess is we'll wind up with a system where we need both state and local licenses.... ;)
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Oh my goodness. I laughed right out loud when I read the above...:grin: :grin: Until I realized it's probably true.....I've been sobbing ever since.....

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In Colorado, local jurisdictions can require a license to work in their town, but can't charge for it. The fees belong solely to the state. To my knowledge, only the City of Fort Collins requires EC's to be licensed, and it has done some good, according to my source. :)

It could well be other areas require licensing too, but due to the lack of income from it I doubt it's the case.
 
So colorado

So colorado

georgestolz said:
In Colorado, local jurisdictions can require a license to work in their town, but can't charge for it. The fees belong solely to the state. To my knowledge, only the City of Fort Collins requires EC's to be licensed, and it has done some good, according to my source. :)

It could well be other areas require licensing too, but due to the lack of income from it I doubt it's the case.
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Has state mandated licensing also?? Is it contractor journeyman or aprentice like Conn?
 
NYS Electrical Licensing

NYS Electrical Licensing

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Are you seriously interested in trying to make a change to the licensing situation in NYS?

If so, start a by putting together a sign up sheet. Have licensed electrical contractors put their pertinent information including a signature on the sheet.
Provide separate sheets for, electricians, 'john q public, and for "business owners".

Start collecting the signatures and I will let you know a little more about the actions that have recently been started.
Signatures state wide will be very important!!!
If there is anyone else who is from NYS that is reading this, you can do the same for your area.
Contact me if you only if you are very, very seriously interested. ;)

This is no joke by the way.
 
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