2014 NEC 210.52 question

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2014 NEC 210.52 question

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jumper said:
Not in this debate, but interested.

Per your diagram, what is the space above/adjacent to receptacles? There is no label defining the space.

Doorways perhaps? The wall space is between them maybe?

Just trying to clarify for the discussion..
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ok lets put a fire place on the right and a cabinet on the left
 
Using up to 18" of "FLOOR SPACE", an undefined two-word term in the NEC, is not in debate, in my opinion, with respect to your Opening Post question.

In my opinion, your brown colored Floor Space area should be rounded by an 18" radius off the end of the "Floor Line".
 
al hildenbrand said:
Using up to 18" of "FLOOR SPACE", an undefined two-word term in the NEC, is not in debate, in my opinion, with respect to your Opening Post question.

In my opinion, your brown colored Floor Space area should be rounded by an 18" radius off the end of the "Floor Line".
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I have no clue what you mean.

David’s pic is pretty clear IMO.

Do those receptacles fill the requirements of the needed wall space receptacles?
 
jumper said:
I have no clue what you mean.

David’s pic is pretty clear IMO.

Do those receptacles fill the requirements of the needed wall space receptacles?
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The brown "floor space" extensions beyond the left and right edges of the "wall space" are not rectangular. The "floor line" exists only at the bottom of the "wall space".

This diagram illustrates that receptacle outlets that are not within a wall space will satisfy the 210.52 required receptacle outlet. I have no problem with that.

But I don't think it applies to the OP question.
 
al hildenbrand said:
The brown "floor space" extensions beyond the left and right edges of the "wall space" are not rectangular. The "floor line" exists only at the bottom of the "wall space".

This diagram illustrates that receptacle outlets that are not within a wall space will satisfy the 210.52 required receptacle outlet. I have no problem with that.

But I don't think it applies to the OP question.
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OPs question was answered way back. The receptacle in OP could go in wall or cabinet since it was an extra unneeded one anyways.

This is a spin off scenario.
 
Nice graphic work, David.

The rounded areas would be quarter round, as opposed to half round.

Here, consider, using your graphic. Remove the left cabinet. Remove the floor area. Put a 3 foot doorway in the Wall Space with 25 inches of Wall Space between the Fire Place and the edge of the doorway.

Now, to the left of the doorway, install a receptacle outlet in the wall space within 6 inches of the left side of the doorway.

Does the receptacle outlet on the LEFT side of the doorway satisfy the 210.52 requirement for a receptacle in the 25" wall to the RIGHT of the doorway, between the doorway and the Fire Place?
 
al hildenbrand said:
Nice graphic work, David.

The rounded areas would be quarter round, as opposed to half round.

Here, consider, using your graphic. Remove the left cabinet. Remove the floor area. Put a 3 foot doorway in the Wall Space with 25 inches of Wall Space between the Fire Place and the edge of the doorway.

Now, to the left of the doorway, install a receptacle outlet in the wall space within 6 inches of the left side of the doorway.

Does the receptacle outlet on the LEFT side of the doorway satisfy the 210.52 requirement for a receptacle in the 25" wall to the RIGHT of the doorway, between the doorway and the Fire Place?
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it would get rejected here based on the thought that hard usage cords would be needed to utilize that rec. for the 25 in. wall space. lamps do not come with hard usage cords
 
My point is that we intuitively "get" the problem with running cords across traffic ways. . . but the NEC never uses that as the instructions. That doorway in my example could easily be a cabinet as far as the NEC is concerned.
 
It depends on how the section is read. Electrical inspectors have discretion an no one is going to allow a cord to cross a door opening and subject a cord to damage
 
wwhitney said:
(2014) 210.52(A)(1) says "Receptacles shall be installed such that no point measured horizontally along the floor line of any wall space is more than 1.8 m (6 ft) from a receptacle outlet."
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"floor line of any wall space"

You typed it in yourself.
 
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