2023 kitchen receptacle requirements

[don_resqcapt19]

Maybe I‘m reading the website wrong for the one I posted in #36?
From the site:

• Color: Stainless steel metal top
• Black outlet: 20 Amp GFCI
• Tamper resistant (TR) plugs
• Weather resistant (WR) outlet
• ETL listed for USA installations, # 4004534
• cETL listed for Canada installation, # 4004534
• CSA approved for Canada, #C22.2
• Conforms to UL 514A and 498
• UL listed receptacle, # E229322
• Water protection: IP 54 Spill proof rated

Look up the details ...not listed as required by 406.5(E). There is a lot of things that the manufacturers are doing like this. Note that the information that you posted only says that the receptacle itself is listed, and also note that its spill rating is based on IP 54 and not section 149 of UL 498 as required for the countertop listing. While is says it complies with UL 498, there are a lot of different products covered by that UL Projuse Standard. When you see "conforms to" in the manufacturer's information, that almost always means that they think they have designed and manufactured their product standard, but they have not actually had the product evaluated to that standard.
When I look up the ETL listing number, that device is listed as "cord reel or multioutlet assembly" and not as a countertop receptacle assembly.

 

[WSG]

Here is a pic of one in stock at a wholesaler I use.

Personally, I think there service life of any pop up type receptacle is less than a fixed-in-place receptacle. Cleanliness? I see these pop-up's collecting grit, dirt, grime etc...

I understand the safety hazard of cords hanging over the countertop. Would like to see some data related to this hazard. Everything is a tradeoff...

I'd probably price each pop-up receptacle at around $350-400 each. A cut-in receptacle at the end of the island would be at around half of that

 

[wwhitney]

The only one on the market at this time that is actually listed for use in a countertop is the one made by Hubbell.

FYI, that's the one I linked to, apparently it is marketed as Bryant there.

15A Kitchen Counter Receptacle, Surface Mount, White | RCT200W | Hubbell Wiring Device-Kellems

15A Kitchen Counter Receptacle, Surface Mount, White

www.hubbell.com

Cheers, Wayne

 

[Hv&Lv]

Look up the details ...not listed as required by 406.5(E). There is a lot of things that the manufacturers are doing like this. Note that the information that you posted only says that the receptacle itself is listed, and also note that its spill rating is based on IP 54 and not section 149 of UL 498 as required for the countertop listing. While is says it complies with UL 498, there are a lot of different products covered by that UL Projuse Standard. When you see "conforms to" in the manufacturer's information, that almost always means that they think they have designed and manufactured their product standard, but they have not actually had the product evaluated to that standard.
When I look up the ETL listing number, that device is listed as "cord reel or multioutlet assembly" and not as a countertop receptacle assembly.

I did notice that the receptacle was listed and was curious as to why the entire assembly wasn’t listed.
I see now…

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I did notice that the receptacle was listed and was curious as to why the entire assembly wasn’t listed.
I see now…

It is a marketing ploy.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Here is a pic of one in stock at a wholesaler I use.

Personally, I think there service life of any pop up type receptacle is less than a fixed-in-place receptacle. Cleanliness? I see these pop-up's collecting grit, dirt, grime etc...

I understand the safety hazard of cords hanging over the countertop. Would like to see some data related to this hazard. Everything is a tradeoff...

I'd probably price each pop-up receptacle at around $350-400 each. A cut-in receptacle at the end of the island would be at around half of that



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That one was fine in the 2014 code where the only restriction was that the receptacle couple not be face up in the counter top. That changed with the 2017 code and the new requirement for the counter top receptacle assembly to be specifically listed for that purpose.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

That one was fine in the 2014 code where the only restriction was that the receptacle couple not be face up in the counter top. That changed with the 2017 code and the new requirement for the counter top receptacle assembly to be specifically listed for that purpose.

But it doesn't say specifically listed for kitchen around water. I will assume when the give the definition they will spell that out.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Don how are we to know if this is allowed..

From Page 49 https://www.mockett.com/pdf/cat23/Mockett-Catalog-2019-life.pdf

Kitchen Power
These kitchen power grommets are water resistant and can be mounted anywhere convenient power access is needed, whether at home or at the office in counter tops, kitchen islands, break rooms, and more. UL listed for wet areas and kitchen use. K

PCS77A PCS103 POP-UP KITCHEN POWER® GROMMET Add convenient power access where you need it on the counter top or in kitchen islands with a water tight popup power solution. GFCI protected and includes Tamper Resistant receptacles, making it safe for the whole family. Press down on the top to pop up and access power, then press down to hide away nearly flush when not in use. Water tight seal prevents liquids from getting inside the unit and meets both UL and NEC requirements. Comes with 6' hardwire whip with 12 gauge 3 conductor wire.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

But it doesn't say specifically listed for kitchen around water. I will assume when the give the definition they will spell that out.

It did not require that type of listing in the 2014 and earlier. That requirement came with the 2017 code change, where they specified that any receptacle in a countertop, face up or not, had to be listed as a countertop receptacle assembly. The listing standard specifies the leak test requirements.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Don how are we to know if this is allowed..

From Page 49 https://www.mockett.com/pdf/cat23/Mockett-Catalog-2019-life.pdf

You have to do some digging into what that is listed as. The only listing standard that the product says it complies with is UL 943. So the only thing listed is the GFCI receptacle. You need to find one that says it is listed to UL 498, section 149 for a kitchen countertop receptacle assembly. That takes a lot of digging depending on which listing agency listed the product.

 

[romex jockey]

. This Code is not intended as a design specification or an instruction manual for untrained persons.

Sounds like they'll need to rethink that........~RJ~

 

[Eddie702]

Back to the extension cords

 

[jimport]

From just expanding the requirements from one to one based on square footage for these to removing the requirements. Nice consistency. Was something legalized where these panels met?

 

[acrwc10]

I forget who it was but several years ago someone suggested a cord drop from the ceiling, over the island.

 

[retirede]

I forget who it was but several years ago someone suggested a cord drop from the ceiling, over the island.

My wife (the ultimate AHJ ) would not approve that!

 

[Electromatic]

Instead of just an induction cooktop or wireless phone charging, maybe someone should be working on an entire induction/wireless countertop! Just place down a blender, etc. anywhere--no cords needed! It's a Tesla kitchen.

 

[Barbqranch]

Instead of just an induction cooktop or wireless phone charging, maybe someone should be working on an entire induction/wireless countertop! Just place down a blender, etc. anywhere--no cords needed! It's a Tesla kitchen.

I believe there used to be a system with a number of appliances you just set down on the counter on a shaft assy where the motor was under the counter. It has been a long time since I saw it, so my memory is pretty fuzzy (on many things).

 

[LarryFine]

I believe that was Nutone.

 

[Fred B]

Instead of just an induction cooktop or wireless phone charging, maybe someone should be working on an entire induction/wireless countertop! Just place down a blender, etc. anywhere--no cords needed! It's a Tesla kitchen.

Here you go, looks like it's being worked on

Electricity Conducting Glass Tables Are Probably Going to Be the Next Interior Design Fad

Glass tables, glass desks, and even glass kitchen counters could one day be completely free of wires.

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