AFCI breakers NOT tripping when they should

[ramsy]

Not since the GFP was removed from SOME brands of AFCI.

Are you sure about that?

Did you check it yourself?

 

[curt swartz]

Are you sure about that?

Did you check it yourself?

The only AFCI breakers that sill have GFP are Eaton CH, Siemens Non Plug On Neutral, Square D HOM and Square D QO.
GE, Eaton BR and Siemens PON do not have GFP.

Square D AFCI breakers will trip on the ground to neutral connection if there is a load on the circuit. They will not trip if there is no load on the circuit.

You have stated many times that AFCI's will trip if you touch the ground and neutral at the same time with your hand. That is completely false and not possible. Even with GFP there needs to be 30-50ma of imbalance to trip the breaker. If there is a load on the circuit and you touch ground and neutral together while holding them they will trip but that has nothing to do with your hand/body.

A dual function or GFCI breaker might trip if you touch ground and neutral at the same time and there is an open neutral. You will definitely get a good shock though.

 

[jaggedben]

The only AFCI breakers that sill have GFP are Eaton CH, Siemens Non Plug On Neutral, Square D HOM and Square D QO.
GE, Eaton BR and Siemens PON do not have GFP.

...

This is based on ... ?

 

[curt swartz]

This is based on ... ?

Manufacture info I have received over the years.

GE was the first. Then Eaton removed it from the BR line. Siemens removed it when they came out with the PON.

 

[electrofelon]

Just a note to the OP that because they had the neutrals bypassed/capped/not running through the breakers, and they were working meant they had no ground fault protection component, otherwise they would have tripped instantly.

 

[electrofelon]

The only AFCI breakers that sill have GFP are Eaton CH, Siemens Non Plug On Neutral, Square D HOM and Square D QO.
GE, Eaton BR and Siemens PON do not have GFP.

Do all breakers that do not have GFP, not have a load neutral connection?

 

[ptonsparky]

Just a note to the OP that because they had the neutrals bypassed/capped/not running through the breakers, and they were working meant they had no ground fault protection component, otherwise they would have tripped instantly.

That would be thoughts.

I never thought of defeating an AFCI in the manner they did. I feel inadequate.

 

[WildCelt]

Just a note to the OP that because they had the neutrals bypassed/capped/not running through the breakers, and they were working meant they had no ground fault protection component, otherwise they would have tripped instantly.

I don't think that's the case, because there were a couple of dual function arc/ground fault breakers bypassed in the same way. These aren't PON types; the breaker->neutral bar pigtail was also disconnected and capped off