Your secret's safe with me!Originally posted by al hildenbrand:
Shhh. Don't tell anyone.
Originally posted by peter d:
Originally posted by jeff43222:
Do I get any royalties or a trophy for being the originator of this thread?
On behalf of the entire forum, I'd just like to say:Originally posted by al hildenbrand:
You guys are charmers, every last one o' ya.
Most of the "worn, crushed, bitten, and otherwise-damaged" wiring I come across is premises wiring, particularly in attics with rodent problems. Next is exposed K&T that has outlived its insulation.
Yeah, that's what you think! Look out your front window.
No, no more opinions. I can't take it any more. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.
Just looked out my front window. Saw a guy in a blaze orange muumuu and a sailor hat trying to explain 210.12(B) to my neighbor's dog.Originally posted by peter d:
Yeah, that's what you think! Look out your front window.
Okay, since you insist...Originally posted by peter d:
No, no more opinions. I can't take it any more. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.
Originally posted by LarryFine:
Okay, since you insist...Originally posted by peter d:
No, no more opinions. I can't take it any more. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.
If someone is operating a switch, perhaps damaged in some way, and the person is receiving an electric shock, then I'd say the switch now meets the NEC definition of an outlet.
How's that?
Originally posted by jeff43222:
Just looked out my front window. Saw a guy in a blaze orange muumuu and a sailor hat trying to explain 210.12(B) to my neighbor's dog.
Those men in the white coats with the butterfly net only want to help you, Peter. You should go with them.
Originally posted by jeff43222:
So now a person is "utilization equipment"?
While that is the line that was used by the manufacturers to get the CMP to require AFCIs, the currently available AFCIs provide very limited protection beyond the premises wiring. This fact is the reason that the code will require the use of "combination" type AFCIs starting in 2008. If these new devices actually work as promised, then we will have protection beyond the premises wiring of the house.
We didn't have this debate in the past for two reasons...1) prior to 110.12 it didn't make any differece if a switch was a an outlet or not, and 2) I never had someone insist that a switch is an outlet before.
Originally posted by don_resqcapt19:
I never had someone insist that a switch is an outlet before.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Ya!!! And I know where he lives!Originally posted by allenwayne:
it`s all Jeffs fault anyway.He started this mess
