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does NEC require you to install electrical power in detached garage?

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PaulMmn said:
I can see you in mid-February, stumbling in the dark searching for a snow shovel. Wouldn't it be nice....
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He is in Hawaii so that shouldn't be an issue, but, even if not, You'd come closer to finding your scoop shovel in the dark than you would finding the slots in the receptacle to plug your hand held lamp in seeing as how the rule is for a "RECEPTACLE" outlet and not a "LIGHTING" outlet.

That IF hi-lited in the first post pretty well clarifies what the intention of the rule is.

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Being I've never had to deal with lava rock, how hard is it to cut through? What kind of equipment is needed?
 
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It seems crazy to me to not run power to a detached garage. at some point someone is going to want to plug in something out there.

But, I don't think the code requires it.
 
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jap said:
That IF hi-lited in the first post pretty well clarifies what the intention of the rule is.

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If power is already there what's the point of requiring an outlet? Chances are there is already one there.....
 
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qcroanoke said:
If power is already there what's the point of requiring an outlet? Chances are there is already one there.....
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There's not power there, he doesn't want to put power there, and, shouldn't be required to put power there.

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petersonra said:
It seems crazy to me to not run power to a detached garage. at some point someone is going to want to plug in something out there.

But, I don't think the code requires it.
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To the contrary, I have a shed I built roughly 200 feet from the house about 10 years ago to store my lawnmowers. and log splitter etc...

I ran a 1' conduit out to it from my garage and stubbed it up inside for power to be able to set a small sub panel for lighting and to charge batteries and what not.

10 years later and I've yet to pull the wiring to it , and, really not upset about the fact that I haven't.

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jap said:
There's not power there, he doesn't want to put power there, and, shouldn't be required to put power there.

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enhanced content related to 210.52(G)(1) would indicate you are correct.

"ENHANCED CONTENT
Receptacle outlets are not required for a detached garage if it is not supplied with electricity. Receptacle outlets are not required for individual garages of multifamily dwellings where the garage is not attached to the dwelling unit."
 
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Joethemechanic said:
Being I've never had to deal with lava rock, how hard is it to cut through? What kind of equipment is needed?
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I've never dealt with it either, but, it would be my guess it would be best to have your conduit in place before the volcano erupted. and, probably not PVC if you actually wanted to use it. :)

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jap said:
There's not power there, he doesn't want to put power there, and, shouldn't be required to put power there.

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I was reffering to the code section:. at least one 120-volt, 20-ampere branch circuit shall be installed to supply receptacle outlets in attached garages and in detached garages with electric power."
 
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Fred B said:
enhanced content related to 210.52(G)(1) would indicate you are correct.

"ENHANCED CONTENT
Receptacle outlets are not required for a detached garage if it is not supplied with electricity. Receptacle outlets are not required for individual garages of multifamily dwellings where the garage is not attached to the dwelling unit."
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Where is this from?
 
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That is from the online comments in the NEC but they are not NEC rules, just an interpretation as I hear it. If you have the NEC Link you will see something like this. I expanded the enhance content



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qcroanoke said:
I was reffering to the code section:. at least one 120-volt, 20-ampere branch circuit shall be installed to supply receptacle outlets in attached garages and in detached garages with electric power."
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I may be thinking too far into this but I would think a garage being built whether attached or detached would require a permit.

In most cases a permit is going to require an inspection.

An Inspection would allow the electrical work (if any) to be inspected a that time rather than simply having some wiring run to it and capped off in a j-box.

Not sure.

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jap said:
I may be thinking too far into this but I would think a garage being built whether attached or detached would require a permit.

In most cases a permit is going to require an inspection.

An Inspection would allow the electrical work (if any) to be inspected a that time rather than simply having some wiring run to it and capped off in a j-box.

Not sure.

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Depends on the size of the structure. But, probably. The building code requires a permit for a structure over 8' in height and/or over 120 sq. ft.

Agree

Also depends on what the local jurisdiction requires.
My old jurisdiction would only inspect what the permit stated was being done. That said, if I inspected a structure only with nothing else permitted and electrical or plumbing was installed, I would post a stop work order.

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That said, if I inspected a structure only with nothing else permitted and electrical or plumbing was installed, I would post a stop work order.

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Ok, but this is a case of the homeowner doesn't want any power in the building and the jurisdiction says he has to have an outlet by code.
Would you reject it based on the code section provided in post #1?
 
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qcroanoke said:
Ok, but this is a case of the homeowner doesn't want any power in the building and the jurisdiction says he has to have an outlet by code.
Would you reject it based on the code section provided in post #1?
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No! I would argue what the code requires, or in this case, what it doesn't require. Unless, of course, there is a written amendment. I am definitely on the side of the OP.

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