estimated time for roughin a 2 story house

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celtic said:
If you alternate direction when drilling - wire pulling is much easier.
People have a natural tendency to have the same amount of angle while "drilling from the hip"...alternating the drill direction offsets this natural angle.
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I use a chalk line and drill straight, I just dont understand your post. ;):grin:
 
celtic said:
If you alternate direction when drilling - wire pulling is much easier.
People have a natural tendency to have the same amount of angle while "drilling from the hip"...alternating the drill direction offsets this natural angle.

An extension bit for the auger eliminates the need for a ladder when drilling top plates for switches, jumpers, home runs, etc.
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Yep 2 extensions

Adding a block to the head of drill can help the angle problem. It also allows us to set the depth of the hole in the stud to be at dead center. When we drill by walking that is.

I need every trick in the book when someone tells me they can drill a straight hole without a guide I check their work twice.
 
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stickboy1375 said:
I use a chalk line and drill straight, I just dont understand your post. ;):grin:
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Chalk line is a waste of time IMHO...it is the "rough".

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Every other stud is North-South or East-West...then vice versa.
No blocks, chaulk lines, lasers, transits, water levels, etc needed.
Grab the drill and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo

Wires pulled from either direction won't bind up.
 
iwire said:
Whats all this drilling for, studs come pre-punched with holes ready to go.:wink:
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There was a time when all the studs being shipped from Canada to my part of the country came with a wire hole pre-drilled. Because of the lumber tariff's at the time, if they drilled a hole in them, they could call them "engineered lumber". This had a much lower import tariff versus regular sawn lumber.
 
I had one new house where the studs came this way to my surprise and what a nice surprise it was. The carpenters still managed to screw up the directions . 15 years later a competitor heard my name and said YOU are the one I lost that job to. I said beveled cedar siding?? All new anderson doublehung windows?? The name of the customer and the street?? I then said NO I never heard of this place. :smile:
 
Houses here are built with Home Depot wood: still damp, warped, edge boards and substandard sizes.

That is why I like to drop them in my drill frame. The pressure of shipping them hold them straight for a couple of hours so my frame drilled holes end up twisting back and forth anyway just like back and forth drilling every other stud.

Give me steel studs every time!!! :)
 
When figuring how long the rough took or will take, what do you consider completed?

I just finished a 2,000 sq ft, 3 story house. It had 190 "points" (a point being any switch, receptacle, light, etc) and took 118 hours.

When I am done the panel is complete, all the wires spliced and pigtailed, switch legs and power neatly folded into the box, etc. Makes the trim much faster, and you don't have to try to remember what you did six months ago.

Jerry
 
jerrygar said:
When figuring how long the rough took or will take, what do you consider completed?

I just finished a 2,000 sq ft, 3 story house. It had 190 "points" (a point being any switch, receptacle, light, etc) and took 118 hours.

When I am done the panel is complete, all the wires spliced and pigtailed, switch legs and power neatly folded into the box, etc. Makes the trim much faster, and you don't have to try to remember what you did six months ago.

Jerry
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190 into .2 estimation book time per point install 38 hours final
Pulling all the wire comes to 6 hours per 1000 feet of Romex no terminations (rough)
termination .1 per splice 19.0 hours
.2 per handy box so say 190 for 38 hours (rough)
Panel 8 hours for terminations and service feed.
Meter and mast 2 hours all by the book I use.

Pretty close by the time extras are done. Pretty Good I say.

celtic said:
Wires pulled from either direction won't bind up.
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One word "SimPull" Romex won't bind unless a kink is in it.
 
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celtic said:
Chalk line is a waste of time IMHO...it is the "rough".

This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-
This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-
This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-
This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-

:D

Every other stud is North-South or East-West...then vice versa.
No blocks, chaulk lines, lasers, transits, water levels, etc needed.
Grab the drill and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo

Wires pulled from either direction won't bind up.
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I totally agree with you on this topic especially if I am drilling through solid wood joists.
 
stickboy1375 said:
I'm not making art, I'm making my life easier on me by the ease of pulling wires through straight holes, try it some day, you'll figure out what i'm talking about. :D
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Truthfully that sounds like a waste of time. I don't mean it in a negative way but I can easily drill by eyesight and the holes are not going to be so far out of kilter that it makes it difficult to pull through. Now I can definitely warrant the use of a chalk line for keeping kitchen countertop outlets the same height, although I've never done that either. I also wouldn't waste my time with a right angle drill. I know that they have there place for certain occasions but I've never used one and know that if I purchased one that it wouldn't get used.
 
Everyone does things the way they feel are efficient, and I'm sure they probably are after a while. but I just wish you could pull wire after I'm done just to see the difference, I've been doing this long enough not to waste time trying to pull wires through holes that don't line up, I know I make up the time of snapping lines when pulling wires. Celtic, your not the only one with mad skillz. :)
 
stickboy1375 said:
I'm not making art, I'm making my life easier on me by the ease of pulling wires through straight holes, try it some day, you'll figure out what i'm talking about. :D
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Life is easy.
Lay the drill on your thigh and drill away
If you have only 4 or 5 studs to go through, do you measure and snap a line?
BTW, I'm done!
NEXT! :D

I'm all about simple....less is more.

steelersman said:
I also wouldn't waste my time with a right angle drill. I know that they have there place for certain occasions but I've never used one and know that if I purchased one that it wouldn't get used.
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Rent one [rather than buy] for one day when you have alotta holes to drill ~ the ext. and auger - you probably have them?
Leave the ladder off to the side and blitz the place in no time at all.

stickboy1375 said:
Celtic, your not the only one with mad skillz. :)
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Them's fighting words!
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It is cool to know how others work....and even something as mundane as drilling holes seems to be a passionate topic....for some of us lunatics :D
 
All I do is put the drill on my thigh (perfect height in between outlets and switches) and start drilling.
I keep them pretty straight as I was yelled at as a helper for not doing so
You guys are wierdos with all this scientific drilling:D
I would have 1/2 the house drilled by the time you guys finished thinking about what you were going to do:grin:
 
celtic said:
Chalk line is a waste of time IMHO...it is the "rough".

This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-
This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-
This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-
This stud gets drilled this way ->
This stud gets drilled this way <-

:D

Every other stud is North-South or East-West...then vice versa.
No blocks, chaulk lines, lasers, transits, water levels, etc needed.
Grab the drill and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo

Wires pulled from either direction won't bind up.
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What if you miss a hole? Do you go back and try to figure out which way the hole before it was drilled? Heaven forbid you have two holes going the same way.....And by the way any further Questions on drilling holes shall be referred to me first
 
celtic said:
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Rent one [rather than buy] for one day when you have alotta holes to drill ~ the ext. and auger - you probably have them?
Leave the ladder off to the side and blitz the place in no time at all.
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I don't have a need for a right angle drill, or an extension. A standard 18" auger bit and straight drill is all I need. And I only need a ladder for drilling in the ceiling joists. I can reach the top plate on 9' ceilings just fine. :)
 
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