For all you "20 ampers"

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For all you "20 ampers"

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stickboy1375 said:
Like that basement fridge they plugged into with the basement freezer? :D
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As for Toolman grunt's, you can't argue that two #14's are better than one #12. But two #12's...even more grunts :D
 
iwire said:
Now at work, thats different, mostly 10 AWG for 20 amp circuits more then 100'
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On that note, how long of a 120 or 240 volt 15 or 20 amp circuit have you pulled or how big of a wire size did you use?
 
mivey said:
On that note, how long of a 120 or 240 volt 15 or 20 amp circuit have you pulled or how big of a wire size did you use?
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We did food distribution warehouse where the 125 volt 20 amp circuits running to the roof top receptacles where run in 4 AWG CU. I do not know the length, my involvement was at the panel end landing them at the panel. There were dozens of them at a number of panels. The building was about 45 acres under one roof.

Then there was some shopping plaza lighting that the engineer specified 500 CU for some 30 amp 480 volt circuits. The length of the 500s must be pushing 1,500 - 2000' feet one way.
 
I could walk into a 10,000 homes in neiborhoods all over the U.S. at any given time with an ammeter in hand and not one general lighting circuit will have more than 1 to 3 amps on it.

Now, I won't worry about the voltage drop on these lightly loaded circuits regardless of wether they're wired with #14 or #12 and for the few times they might be loaded heavy, who cares?

For those of you who do care, why not go ahead and run 4/0 home runs if you want to be over the top, after all, if you don't, someone that does will think you are a slacker and a hack.

Roger
 
mivey said:
On that note, how long of a 120 or 240 volt 15 or 20 amp circuit have you pulled or how big of a wire size did you use?
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Six miles, we just transformed it up to 12470 then back down at the devices, we used #14 for the whole project. :grin:

Roger
 
roger said:
I could walk into a 10,000 homes in neiborhoods all over the U.S. at any given time with an ammeter in hand and not one general lighting circuit will have more than 1 to 3 amps on it.

Roger
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You need a new ammeter. Yours is broken. The are many chandeliers that draw more current than that. Many kitchens have beween 10 and 20 can lights and then all the under counter lights.

I measured 12 amps the other day just on the kitchen lighting load. 13 mini cans just over the island 50 watt lamps. Fan over breakfast table with 4 60 watt lamps and fan motor. If I remember right there were another 6-8 large can lights around the room. It adds up fast.

People go crazy with lighting anymore.
 
growler said:
I measured 12 amps the other day just on the kitchen lighting load. 13 mini cans just over the island 50 watt lamps. Fan over breakfast table with 4 60 watt lamps and fan motor. If I remember right there were another 6-8 large can lights around the room. It adds up fast.

People go crazy with lighting anymore.
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And these people deserve to have flickering lights.

BTW, my meter(s) are working properly.

Roger
 
roger said:
Six miles, we just transformed it up to 12470 then back down at the devices, we used #14 for the whole project. :grin:

Roger
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Actually, for very long distances, I have heard that natural gas pipeline is better. Just stick a generator at the end. :)
 
mivey said:
Actually, for very long distances, I have heard that natural gas pipeline is better. Just stick a generator at the end. :)
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But that wouldn't be wiring. :wink:

Roger
 
iwire said:
We did food distribution warehouse where the 125 volt 20 amp circuits running to the roof top receptacles where run in 4 AWG CU. I do not know the length, my involvement was at the panel end landing them at the panel. There were dozens of them at a number of panels. The building was about 45 acres under one roof.
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I worked at the Public distribution center 14 years ago and it was something like that. Some of the longest pulls and meg every darn cable.
You really hate to find a bad one on a 1000 ft. pull.
 
roger said:
And these people deserve to have flickering lights.
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Why would you say that? People pay to have their house wired not for life style counceling.

That's really the way to conduct business. Mam, You don't need all those lights , you need counceling.
 
growler said:
Why would you say that? People pay to have their house wired not for life style counceling.
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I would say that because this...

I measured 12 amps the other day just on the kitchen lighting load.
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Is the cause more then the wire size. Break the load up. :smile:
 
growler said:
Why would you say that? People pay to have their house wired not for life style counceling.

That's really the way to conduct business. Mam, You don't need all those lights , you need counceling.
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Dale, if you know what the connected load will be, as in your example, of course you would wire for it like Bob said.

A designed luminaire circuit that will be heavily loaded is not a typical General Lighting Circuit is it?

Right this very minute, what would be the heaviest loaded circuit in your house?

The heaviest general lighting load in my house right now is my kitchen with 260 watts or 2.16 amps of incandescent lighting on

Roger
 
BTW, just incase someone may not have picked up on it, the six mile post was a joke. :wink: :D

Roger
 
roger said:
The heaviest general lighting load in my house right now is my kitchen with 260 watts or 2.16 amps of incandescent lighting on
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I sure hope you ran that with 10 guage to account for voltage drop, and WHAT IF someone decides to add more lighting in the future???????
 
roger said:
BTW, just incase someone may not have picked up on it, the six mile post was a joke. :wink: :D

Roger
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Yeah, but I had not finished this image yet :D

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