Hard-wiring dishwasher

[wireman3736]

Cord ,box,receptacle,cover cost what in time and money ? Romex direct takes only 10 to 15 minutes.

sometimes quality takes a little longer, Example, I could use the pushins on a receptacle but prefer to wrap the wire around the screw. It takes a little longer but I don't have to worry about that little piece of metal burning off a few years down the road. I like to think about the future when I do a job, not just about making a quick buck.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

sometimes quality takes a little longer, Example, I could use the pushins on a receptacle but prefer to wrap the wire around the screw. It takes a little longer but I don't have to worry about that little piece of metal burning off a few years down the road. I like to think about the future when I do a job, not just about making a quick buck.

How do you figure that a cord is quality ?

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

I can install a cord on a dishwasher in 5 minutes if the dishwasher is not installed, but if its installed, that means I have to take the toe kick off, I have to lay on the ground, (which may or may not be the cleanest) I have to find the romex that the plumber pushed all the way back to the wall from installing the dishwasher, why not install the cord and be done with it..??? IMO.

Thats true if its on the job when your there.Chances are hight that it is already installed with no cord, so really hasnt saved you anything.You now still need to install the receptacle.As a total job i can beat or match you in time and i saved $$$$$$.Now if they come with a cord i totally agree that its the way to go.I have yet to see one with a cord factory installed.

 

[wireman3736]

Lets see, some one working on it can unplug it and eliminate the chance of someone turning the breaker on, you don't have to hire an electrician to replace it, you don't have some uneducated home owner trying to unwire it to replace it and if it is removed for any reason you won't have a live piece of romex lying on the floor.

 

[celtic]

Lets see, some one working on it can unplug it and eliminate the chance of someone turning the breaker on, you don't have to hire an electrician to replace it, you don't have some uneducated home owner trying to unwire it to replace it and if it is removed for any reason you won't have a live piece of romex lying on the floor.

You can't protect people from themselves.
No matter how you try.

 

[wireman3736]

You can't protect people from themselves.
No matter how you try.

I thought thats why we have an Electrical code.

 

[celtic]

I thought thats why we have an Electrical code.

WE do...homeowner's can and WILL do any stoopid thing they want to.

 

[wireman3736]

WE do...homeowner's can and WILL do any stoopid thing they want to.

I thought we had a responsability to the homeowner since there paying us, if something as simple as using a cord and plug on a dishwasher why not do it.

 

[stickboy1375]

Thats true if its on the job when your there.Chances are hight that it is already installed with no cord, so really hasnt saved you anything.You now still need to install the receptacle.As a total job i can beat or match you in time and i saved $$$$$$.Now if they come with a cord i totally agree that its the way to go.I have yet to see one with a cord factory installed.

Mielee dishwashers have cords on them...

 

[celtic]

I thought we had a responsability to the homeowner since there paying us, if something as simple as using a cord and plug on a dishwasher why not do it.

..because a CB lock will also work.

 

[stickboy1375]

..because a CB lock will also work.

Now I have to go to the basement and lock something? A HO won't test his/hers gfi every month who are you kidding...

 

[blue spark]

Shoot, the code's the minimum. Only makes sense and who cares if it takes a few extra minutes. I know noone wants to think about the electrician, but I try to think of the people down the road. Maybe that's why we get the good jobs? Cause we GAF?

 

[celtic]

Now I have to go to the basement and lock something? A HO won't test his/hers gfi every month who are you kidding...

The point is:
There is more than one way to wire a DW and be code compliant...both methods are...."quality" is opinion.

Now if the HO wanted to pay extra for the device and plate, drilling the cabinet (I hate to put them behind the units), attaching the cord (even if it comes "wired" from the appliance store, I check it)...I would more than happy to give them a number

 

[celtic]

Maybe that's why we get the good jobs?

You think you have a "market" on the "good jobs" ????


LMAO...that's funny!

There are only two good jobs - the one you left, and the one you're going to

 

[wireman3736]

The point is:
There is more than one way to wire a DW and be code compliant...both methods are...."quality" is opinion.

Now if the HO wanted to pay extra for the device and plate, drilling the cabinet (I hate to put them behind the units), attaching the cord (even if it comes "wired" from the appliance store, I check it)...I would more than happy to give them a number

I guess some of us have higher standards, my experience is a happy customer is a return customer, maybe thats why after 4 years being on my own I don't have to advertise for business anymore.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

First off just how many home owners try to fix a DW ? Most will call the appliance repair man and he should know how to be safe.And just who will be installing that cord ? Willing to bet putting a white wire to a white and black on black is something mr home owner can do.If he cant will he be able to install a cord ? Ever see a cord that the plug has been over heating ? For safety i would rather it be hardwired.This is not something we unplug every year.

 

[iwire]

sometimes quality takes a little longer, .

I have not wired a dishwasher in many years, when I did the most common method was direct connection with NM.

You feel this is not quality, that is certainly your right but I have to ask what you see happening to this?

There are literally tens of thousands of DW direct wired with NM.

The NM is not 'exposed' it is enclosed under the DW with all the single conductor wiring the manufacturer has under the DW.

I have never seen the NM get damaged.

Now all that aside if I was to wire one again I would probably go the cord and plug route, I never liked laying on my belly wiring a DW.

I like the idea of turning it over and installing the cord while standing up.

 

[iwire]

..because a CB lock will also work.

I don't think so if the motor is more than 1/8 HP and the breaker is not in sight from the DW.

422.32 Disconnecting Means for Motor-Driven Appliance.
If a switch or circuit breaker serves as the disconnecting means for a permanently connected motor-driven appliance of more than 1/8 hp, it shall be located within sight from the motor controller and shall comply with Part IX of Article 430.

Of course on the flip side a DW with a qualifying unit switch can use a breaker without a lock as the 'other means for disconnection'

Exception: If a motor-driven appliance of more than 1/8 hp is provided with a unit switch that complies with 422.34(A), (B), (C), or (D), the switch or circuit breaker serving as the other disconnecting means shall be permitted to be out of sight from the motor controller.

The problem is that IMO few modern DWs have a qualifying 'unit switch'.

Most are not marked ON and OFF or disconect the ungrounded conductors.

Most are marked 'Start' and only send a signal to the electronics.

 

[allenwayne]

Hardwire or cord connect ? Both are code compliant......I pushed for cord connection in a production enviorment,why ?
#1-Most of the time we were in before the plumbers so a receptacle allowed us to get a final inspection.
#2-If the appliance was there all we had to do was attach a pigtail and move on.
#3-No breaker lock out is needed.
#4-If hardwired we had to tie up a service crew to hook up the NM

It became policy to just leave an appliance cord with a connector and wire nuts if the d/w or disp. was not on site.OK plumbers are not electricians,but they in day to day activities unhook and hook up these units time and time again.As far as quality goes IMO feel it is a better job to cord connect for safety and convience.

On a side note I found that when using a receptacle it is best to install a box horizontal on the base plate and off centered in the space toward the left side of the opening.That way if the appliance is installed without the cord,it is easy to install the cord and slide your hand in and access the receptacle.

Lets go to disposals.Many now come with a cord connected from the factory.So even the manufacturers see that cord connection is becoming popular.I pushed this cord connection issue about 5/6 years ago and over time it was found that many man hours and unnecessary trips were saved by doing it this way.
Tract homes are a low profit business.If you can save a few bucks over a period of time you can keep the bottom line as high as you can.

 

[celtic]

I guess some of us have higher standards, my experience is a happy customer is a return customer, maybe thats why after 4 years being on my own I don't have to advertise for business anymore.

Good for you.