I am all for it and I am sure it is coming, there is little practical reason not to.
Well that said it all.
Do we really need GFI or AFCI in every room!
Iwire if you did not get the point I made about Natural selection I will not elaborate it is not a very pleasent topic for some.
I like technology, however there is a limit as to what should be implemented.
One thing that I would like all of you to be aware of is that there are many elderly folks that use machines at night when they sleep. Most of these machines have alarms when the power goes. However many elderly cannot hear these alarms and thus will not be able to change over to a manual device. It's a fact! If the power goes these people can expire!
Lets leave AFCIs out of this, I said nothing of AFCIs.
As far as GFCIs ........ can you give a practical reason not to add GFCI protection to most locations?
Are you a kid? Nope but it is a fact of life!
I mean really, your reason for not wanting GFCIs seems to be because you want people who make a mistake to get to get hurt.
Bad things happen. Do we really need to protect our lives from every concievable incident. Does a bit of common sense need to be used.
GFCIs are cheap and they help, they are practical.
Yes they are
If you know of someone in that situation are you not also concerned about a power company outage? A tripped branch circuit because they plugged a heater in when they went to bed, etc.
Honestly, if their life depends on continuous electricity they may want some automatic back up. hmy:
Why not directly wire it.There is absolutly no reason why the furnace cannot be plugged into a dedicated outlet....
Why not directly wire it.
FWIW, I can't remember seeing a furnace that came with a factory cord. For that matter I cannot remember seeing a whole house furnace of only 2.4kW.
Is this even close to the best solution or is it he who has the most lobby money wins.
I think we all know that when there is money to be made, the "best" answer usually ends up being lost to whatever money is to be made on a grand scale.
The thing is that if NM is installed properly, the chances of getting an ARC from hanging a picture or whatever is very low. There is only so much that can be done to protect people from danger. is it ethical to mandate protection schemes primarily to benefit a few people who are making money off of those mandate?
Look at some of the code things in Chicago and other places where (for instance) NM is all but banned, mostly to benefit contractors. It has very little if anything to do with safety. It is all about money. Whatever safety benefits there are, if any, is a distant second in the reasons category.
Shear panels ... funny you should mention that ....
I once ran pipe in a new building the the future location of the air conditioning condensing unit. My run was, in part, through an open wall. No sooner had I completed the run -but not yet pulled any wire- than along comes the carpenter, hanging the OSB on the face of that wall, to make it a shear wall.
The guy completely missed the stud, with every nail in the row. Instead, every nail was set in the pipe I had just run. Gotta love the pneumatic nailers! Small wonder I had a wee bit of difficulty fishing the wire ..... OOPS.
No sooner do you make things idiot-proof, and they come out with a better idiot.
Boy I thought the Pipe would stop a nail. wow all the nails in a row. The Guy did not notice that the nails did not go in flush.
Next time I suppose Rigid!:slaphead:
Although nail plates are not required for EMT or PVC, I will tell ya: nails and screws will penetrate either in a heart beat.
Sure that is one thing you can do. It's just that these days were I am the HVAC guy wants a plug no Hard wire. He also wants a outlet for condensate drain and Propane sensor. sure We can do it differently but what would we have to gripe about?
This post is getting almost 3000 views- WoW :roll:
Yes and I bet many here think the same. Yes some of the regulation is great some is driven directly by lobbyist. Look here at Ca. It is mandatory for all residences by July of this year to have a CO detector. I bet if you look into the law it give some agency the right to enter to see if you comply? This is what we want of our Govt? Some talk of " well it saves lives. Well how many people are killed or families destroyed by drunk divers. The govt could make it mandatory to install Breath lock-out devices in every car. Boy that would really save lives. We don't do that yet it would save way more lives than a GFCI for a dedicated outlet in a garage.
Can't handle the heat HuH:rant:
My comments were generated to stir the pot and get people thinking. I get that you have not got a 100k damage call but I am sure there are some in the colder parts of this great nation that Have. Think of the furnace in the garage of the new home that was plugged into a GFCI that tripped in a power surge or something. Then the pipes froze and burst and when thawed flooded the home and froze and melted and froze again making a whole mess. View attachment 5803 I bet you got a 100k damage in that there home.
Hey I'm just sayin.......................:happysad: .......
Again, no one really cares about the unintended consequences of saving us from ourselves. Read the book Liberty & Tyranny by Mark Levin. He describes the hard tyrant who rules by iron hand and the soft tyrant who terrorizes & oppresses, all the while believing he is doing good & being morally superior. While that is politics & this is business, the similarities are there.